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Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 10:14 PM

Randy Johnson through 4.1: 6 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 HR
He started off pretty bad--all 6 hits and one of the walks came in the first 2.1 innings. RJ K'ed 4 of the next 7 batters.

Yankees came back in the top of the fourth to score 3, but Jeter struck out with 2 in scoring position to end the inning.

5th inning:

- H. Matsui walked
- G. Sheffield walked, H. Matsui to second
- A. Rodriguez walked, H. Matsui to third, G. Sheffield to second
- J. Posada struck out swinging
- J. Giambi grounded into double play second to shortstop to first, A. Rodriguez out at second

Still lots of game to be played, but some fine moments so far for Yankee haters.

Edgy DC
Jun 06 2005 10:21 PM

Homerun Spivey!

metirish
Jun 06 2005 10:21 PM

Junior Spivey leads of the 6th with a HR of the Small Unit, Brewers 4/Shanks 3

soupcan
Jun 06 2005 10:24 PM

Ah. Spivey.

Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 10:29 PM

RJ gets out of the inning, but is probably done. He's at 120 pitches.

Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 10:30 PM
6/6/05

Nice job by Johnson keeping the Yankees in the game.

Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 10:37 PM

Davis is out and it's up to the Milwaukee pen now, who have been freakishly good this season so far.

Davis' line: 6 IP, 3 ER, 5 BB, 8 K. His season ERA is at 3.68 now.

Wise retires Jeter, Matsui & Sheffield--the latter swinging--to start the seventh.

Edgy DC
Jun 06 2005 11:05 PM

Turnbow: one more reason that bullpens can be built from spare parts.

Elster88
Jun 06 2005 11:08 PM

Exhibit B: Eric Gagne
Exhibit C: Roberto Hernandez

This list could go quite long.

cooby
Jun 06 2005 11:11 PM
A great line from CF

Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 06 2005 11:16 PM

A great line from CF in here

http://p079.ezboard.com/fthecranepoolforumfrm29.showMessageRange?topicID=447.topic&start=1&stop=20

Edited to fix atrocious error. I hope

Edgy DC
Jun 06 2005 11:14 PM

Geoff Jenkins!!

holychicken
Jun 06 2005 11:15 PM

what a catch to end the game.

Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 11:20 PM
What happened?

I don't have cable so I was following online. Can someone describe the catch for me?

Welcome to the dark side of .500, Yankees!

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 06 2005 11:21 PM

Gotta love the MFYs loading them up with 0 out and not scoring a run back in the 5th or 6th.

Braves and Phillies lost today too. Standings show us in 2nd place (tied with ATL, 1 game behind Wash).

Spacemans Bong
Jun 06 2005 11:22 PM
Re: What happened?

Rotblatt wrote:
I don't have cable so I was following online. Can someone describe the catch for me?

Welcome to the dark side of .500, Yankees!

Fine running catch to his left, fully outstretched to make the play.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 06 2005 11:24 PM

Jeter sorta mistakenly swung under the ball and it rolled off the top half of his bat on a line toward the RF line in medium RF. Jenkins needed a full run to catch up to it and did, arm extended. It was too high off the ground to require a dive; had it gone off his glove, he'd have had a triple easy.

Rotblatt
Jun 06 2005 11:24 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 06 2005 11:26 PM

Good stuff! Thanks, Bong!

And you too, Wide!

Frayed Knot
Jun 06 2005 11:25 PM

Nice running catch by Jenkins off Mr (un)Clutch to end the game while the tying run was on 2nd and would shirley have scored.

btw; anyone see the numbers Tom Verducci dragged up in the A-Rod article in last week's SI?
Talk radio is filled these days w/NYY fans whining about how A-Rod piles up all his stats against the likes of Detroit & Tampa, while he'll only truly be accepted as a "True Yanqui" when he does it against Boston like Jeter.
So Verducci produces these numbers vs. Boston for the last 1+ years (since A-Rod has been in NYC):

A-Rod: .281 BA, .865 OPS
Jeter: .215, .621

metirish
Jun 06 2005 11:25 PM

Bill Lee would have loved that play, checking out the Spaceman on baseball reference I find this from the person that sponsors the page..




When Lee was asked whether he preferred grass to artificial turf, he replied, "I don't know, I never smoked the fake stuff."

Spacemans Bong
Jun 06 2005 11:42 PM

="metirish"]Bill Lee would have loved that play, checking out the Spaceman on baseball reference I find this from the person that sponsors the page..




When Lee was asked whether he preferred grass to artificial turf, he replied, "I don't know, I never smoked the fake stuff."

The Tugger actually said that.

Lee has a few great ones, though. I'll post some later..let me get his book.

metirish
Jun 07 2005 12:38 AM

Having watched more than a few MFY games this year I think they are a very boring team to watch, just horrible really, not the least bit intimadating anymore, RJ was throwing high heat tonight according to the YES network and still he looked hittable....

Iubitul
Jun 07 2005 07:07 AM

="Spacemans Bong"]
="metirish"]Bill Lee would have loved that play, checking out the Spaceman on baseball reference I find this from the person that sponsors the page..




When Lee was asked whether he preferred grass to artificial turf, he replied, "I don't know, I never smoked the fake stuff."

The Tugger actually said that.

Lee has a few great ones, though. I'll post some later..let me get his book.


Here's more of Tug's quotes

Elster88
Jun 07 2005 09:17 AM

Great stuff on Sportscenter this morning. They said that Geoff Jenkins' catch made him a "True Brewer".

Edgy DC
Jun 07 2005 09:46 AM

I think they've both been so willing about marketing their clever counter-cultural characters, each would have been more than happy to accept attribution for the remark, even if they never said it, or merely borrowed it from another source. My guess is that there's a third party who came up with that one, and they both worked it, at one time or another, into conversation with a sports writer.

Elster88
Jun 07 2005 10:01 AM

Either way, it was funny.

silverdsl
Jun 07 2005 01:47 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
Talk radio is filled these days w/NYY fans whining about how A-Rod piles up all his stats against the likes of Detroit & Tampa, while he'll only truly be accepted as a "True Yanqui" when he does it against Boston like Jeter.
Those fans are morons. I'm more than willing to criticize almost everyone else on the team for playing like garbage but I don't see how anyone can find anything to fault A-Rod for except perhaps his somewhat shaky play at third. I really couldn't care less about who A-Rod hits against just as long as he does and keeps it up consistantly throughout the season. He still leads the AL in homeruns and RBI, and is in the top five in BA. I will most definitely take that.

However, overall the way the Yankees have played of late is pathetic. If being in fouth place in the division, under .500 and seven games back isn't motivation to try to show some signs of life then nothing is. This team is full of highly (over) paid and talented players who should be more than capable of winning against the teams they've been facing lately. But perhaps the talent just isn't there like I thought it was - or more likely given the age of most of the players on the team they are just in a collective decline.

Centerfield
Jun 07 2005 01:54 PM

For what it's worth, I can't spot what is "wrong" with Johnson. He seemed to have good stuff, decent control...he was just getting hit. Junior Spivey, yes, Junion Spivey, crushed one. I don't see how that's possible.

Rotblatt
Jun 07 2005 02:25 PM

I think I've only actually seen Johnson pitch once this season, but from what I've heard on the radio, his velocity was down early and his slider was flat. Now it sounds like his velocity is back up where it should be but his slider is still flat.

My personal crackpot theory is that Johnson's compensating for some kind of discomfort--my guess is in his bum knee--that is causing him to alter his mechanics in such a way that he's having difficulty throwing his slider.

The one start I saw, his slider was not only flat but up in the zone and his control on the fastball wasn't great.

Again, my personal guess is that last night, he got pissed and reverted to his old mechanics for the remainder of the game, resulting in the 6 K's through 4 or whatever it was after he got filthy. In my scenario, it probably hurt like a bitch for him.

And Silver, I agree with you about them being moron fans, but I do think there might be something to A-Rod not responding as well to intense pressure as you'd expect from someone as talented as he is. There's a pretty well-documented history of atheletes who, for whatever reason, can't perform up to their levels in certain instinces. I gotta say, A-Rod during the Sox 4-game streat last year was brutally bad, and that slap . . .

Was he just off for a few days? Or did he let the pressure get to him? We'll never know, but if the Yankees get to the postseason again this year, he'll have a chance to make me look like a chump for ever doubting him . . .

metirish
Jun 07 2005 02:30 PM

Certainly his velocity was fine last night, hitting 97/98 a lot, he's just old and the yanks are stuck with him for a few more years, now if they could trade Cano and Wang for Clemens I'd be very happy.

Centerfield
Jun 07 2005 02:40 PM

In the past two years, A-Rod is batting .289 against the Sox with 4 HR's and 12 RBI. During the same time period, he has hit more HR's against only 3 teams, (Oakland, Baltimore and Oakland).

I get suspicious when I hear fans say he can't perform in "certain situations". To me, it sounds an awful lot like "I want to blame it all on this guy even though he has great numbers because I don't like him very much."

Rotblatt
Jun 07 2005 02:54 PM

I don't think it has to do with the teams so much as the situation--the ALCS is totally different from a regular series game against the Sox.

I know A-Rod did great against them in the first three games, but I'd be interested to see how he did in close & late situations that series.

This is all just my opinion, and I fully admit that it's totally colored by an intense dislike of A-Rod. My anecdotal evidence is how Arroyo completely dominated A-Rod in the "slap" at bat, after knocking Arroyo around a few days earlier. He was making tentative swings and just looked unnerved up there.

Again, I don't like the guy, so my perception is totally skewed, so feel free to ignore all of the above.

Centerfield
Jun 07 2005 03:20 PM

That's fine...and you're entitled to your perception of things. My problem is with the fans who spout it as if it's some sort of fact and then go on to make character judgments based upon their "knowledge".

Elster88
Jun 07 2005 04:08 PM

ARod hit the snot out of the ball in the first four games against the Sox in the 2004 ALCS. He went 0 for the last three games, but it's not like the first four are non-stressful. If I remember correctly, he also hit well in the playoffs as a Mariner.

Willets Point
Jun 07 2005 04:10 PM

There's way too much Yankees chatter on this forum.

soupcan
Jun 07 2005 04:27 PM



Mr. Yankee says:
"A day without Yankee chatter is like a day without a 21 year-old 'lifelong' Yankee fan not being able to tell you who the Yankee shortstop was before Jeter"

seawolf17
Jun 07 2005 04:28 PM

Dammit! Will you keep that evil thing off the board?! I'd rather see the fat kid freaking out.

soupcan
Jun 07 2005 04:38 PM

Sorry, I'll put the evil bastard away.

Who was the Yankee ss B.J. - Santana?

seawolf17
Jun 07 2005 04:40 PM

Tony Fernandez.

soupcan
Jun 07 2005 04:42 PM

Right.

I had the wrong ex-Met turned Yankee.

metsmarathon
Jun 07 2005 05:41 PM

] During the same time period, he has hit more HR's against only 3 teams, (Oakland, Baltimore and Oakland).


are those the detroit tigers of oakland? i guess everybody's jumping onto the angels' bandwagon - but couldnt they pick a better city?

... and actually, he's hit 5 against tampa and san diego...
in fact, the sawx are one of his worst teams against in terms of AB/HR (26)

and of the 19 teams he's played against, his OPS against the sox, as long as he's been a yankee, is 11th (0.840). that's worded poorly, but you get hte idea. i hope...

Swan Swan H
Jun 07 2005 08:50 PM

Matsui grounds out with the bases loaded to end the third in what passes for a threat in Yankee-land these days.

Brewers lead 2-0 on a homer by Bill Hall.

Elster88
Jun 07 2005 09:39 PM

Bases loaded with your cleanup hitter up only passes for a threat in Yankee-land?

Swan Swan H
Jun 07 2005 09:42 PM

Well, they don't actually score in those situations.

Posada leaves two on in the sixth. Still 2-0 Brewers.

Swan Swan H
Jun 07 2005 10:04 PM

Quantrill puts on two but gives up no runs. Bottallico in to pitch the eighth for MIL.

Swan Swan H
Jun 07 2005 10:29 PM

Turnbow on for the ninth, still 2-0. Giambi, Posada and Tippy Cano.

Giambi flies to the RF wall. 10 ml. more and it's out.

Frayed Knot
Jun 07 2005 10:30 PM

Centerfield wrote:
That's fine...and you're entitled to your perception of things. My problem is with the fans who spout it as if it's some sort of fact and then go on to make character judgments based upon their "knowledge".


And that's really the point here.
I reprinted those stats from Verducci - partly because they surprised me - but moreso because NYY fans (and more than a couple of talk show hosts to boot) "know" - I mean they freekin' KNOW - that Jeter's numbers could never be so puny in those all-important BoSox games ... except that they are.

It's all a part of the theory of pre-determined expectations. Fans who form an opinion early-on that a certain player is (or is not) "clutch" can always find specific instances to reinforce that notion while selectively ignoring those cases which contradict. In this particular case; Jeter is actually dong worse in this hand-picked situation which is being used to define A-Rod but those fans don't even know it because they've already decided on the answer they want and it's now come to the point where the evidence no longer matters.

Frayed Knot
Jun 07 2005 10:36 PM

And - as I'm typing this - guess who just made the last out of the game .... a 1-run game .... w/the tying run on 3rd?



Yup, that Jeter guy again.

Swan Swan H
Jun 07 2005 10:38 PM

Quoth Michael Kay:

"And once again the Yankees fail in the clutch."

Posada backhands a lob over short, and Cano drives one into the gap in RC. Jenkins nearly Swobodas the ball, but he loses it as he hits the ground, and it's 2nd and 3rd.

Bernie, double-switched into the game in the 8th, grounds out, and up comes Cap'n Crotchrot. First pitch, a comebacker, and the Yankees lose to the Brewers - yes, the Brewers - 2-1. Kay is about to swallow his tongue.

metirish
Jun 07 2005 10:44 PM

Someone will get fired surely, Cashman has been back and forth from NY to KC, back to NY and sent out again for this series, next stop Tampa?

Centerfield
Jun 08 2005 02:00 PM

You know, Milwaukee has always been a tough place to come in and win games. This thread is fun these days...I just hope it lasts.

Losing streak at:

MFS62
Jun 08 2005 03:38 PM

In the past, a Yank power outage usually meant that the hitting coach shouldn't send out his laundry.
I wonder what will happen.
Will Boss George fire Mattingly?
This could get interesting.
Stay tuned.

Later

Frayed Knot
Jun 08 2005 04:27 PM

Buster Olney was on espn mentioning that there are rumblings from Yanqui camp (w/o any specifics of course) that another bad night in Beertown tonight, coupled w/an off-day tomorrow (Thurs), in advance of a probable tough series in St. Looie, could mean the start of a shake-up.

But really, what can George do that'll make a whole lot of difference?

* Fire Torre? And eat the remaining 2-1/2 yrs & $16mil left on his deal while installing Joe Girardi and his whopping 9 weeks of bench-coach experince? ... I don't think so!

* Fire icon Mattingly for the bats going to sleep? ... that'll bring more bad pub than it's worth

* Fire Mel Stot for the pitching woes? -- he's going to quit at the end of the year anyway so all that'll do is give him a paid 3-month vacay.

* Shake-up the line-up? There's very little to move.
Not gonna move: Jeter, A-Rod, Rivera
Not possible to move: Giambi, Bernie, Johnson, Pavano, Brown
Won't bring much even if you could move them: Tino, Quantrill, Womack, Sturtze, Flaherty, etc.
Could possibly move - but then you'd have to replace them: Posada, Matsui, Gordon, Mussina
Might bring something (though I'm not sure what): Cano, Wang

Elster88
Jun 08 2005 04:34 PM

Nothing pleases me more then the Yanqs having a team playing poorly and nothing of value to trade.

Well, SOME things please me more, but not many.

Rotblatt
Jun 08 2005 04:44 PM

I'm sure they'll move Cano & Wang--I'm hoping it's for Brett Boone and maybe El Duque and they sign both of them to 3-year deals.

Elster88
Jun 08 2005 04:47 PM

I hope they do trade Wang, because he appears to be a good young pitcher. I think Cano sucks, though I haven't been following closely. They can keep him.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 08 2005 04:49 PM

A bold, Steinbrenneresque move would be to open secret talks with Tampa Bay, and then grab the headlines with a bombshell move: Torre gets fired and replaced with Piniella.

I don't expect it to happen. As stated above, cutting Torre loose would cost too much money. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised if something like this did happen. Since George would be paying Joe anyway, he'd keep him around as a "special advisor." Then he could fire Lou next year and replace him with Torre.

That's the kind of stuff Steinbrenner would do routinely about 20 years ago.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 08 2005 05:42 PM

The easy solution for George is to whack Cashman, which will make a statement but do little immediate good.

For Cashman, it'll be like getting out of jail, but George will make him sign a no-tattling clause as a condition of severance $$.

I just finished Buster Olney's LAST NIGHT... book and was surprised at how excellent it really was. Read it!

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 09 2005 11:05 AM

Great column that gets to the nads of the issue and without spin:

[url]http://www.yesnetwork.com/yankees/pinstripedbible.asp[/url]

Edgy DC
Jun 09 2005 11:12 AM

Gotta hand it to Torre. He juggles the lineup, benches Godzilla, gets his ass tossed from the game and the Yanks get much-needed laugher.

I-Pod also becomes the first player to hit 400 homers before turning 30.

Elster88
Jun 09 2005 12:31 PM

Godzilla's games played streak stretching back to his Japanese-league days is over?

Edgy DC
Jun 09 2005 01:02 PM

No, he got into the game later, getting a pinch single for Buddy Groom in the ninth.

Frayed Knot
Jun 09 2005 02:27 PM

"The best part is being able to accomplish it in this uniform"

Guess who, on doing guess what?



S.
T.
F.
U.
!
!

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 15 2005 09:56 AM

Star Ledger sez:

Yanks win, but trade talks begin

Wednesday, June 15, 2005

BY DAN GRAZIANO AND ED PRICE
Star-Ledger Staff

NEW YORK -- George Steinbrenner is in town, mainly for today's announcement of plans for a new Yankee Stadium, but he's also here to check in on his stumbling baseball team. The Yankees began a 13-game homestand last night, and if it doesn't go well, it could bring about some roster changes.

Multiple baseball people familiar with the Yankees' plans said yesterday the team has been calling around to assess the trade market and that the Yankees could do something major if they don't start playing better by the end of the homestand. One of those people said the only untouchables on the roster would be shortstop Derek Jeter, third baseman Alex Rodriguez and starting pitcher Randy Johnson. That person didn't mention Mariano Rivera as an untouchable, but it's hard to envision the Yankees making any sort of move with their Hall of Fame closer.

Steinbrenner was upbeat after last night's 9-0 victory, but he said he planned to stay in town "for a while," not just for today's announcement. And he admitted to concern about the way the team has played.

"Sure we're concerned," Steinbrenner said. "Until we're in first place, we're concerned. But we're doing all right."

The Yankees aren't ruling out the possibility of asking players such as Hideki Matsui and Bernie Williams to waive their no-trade protection if teams are interested enough to give something good in return for them.

"They're talking about almost everything," an official with a National League team said. "They're talking about players who used to be off-limits."

Among Yankees regulars, the only players who don't have no-trade clauses are catcher Jorge Posada and right fielder Gary Sheffield, and either could bring back a great deal in a trade if the Yankees were willing to help pay his salary. The question is whether such a move would constitute a change simply for change's sake, or whether the team could actually improve itself with such a major move.

Contending teams generally don't want to send back major-league talent for high-priced veterans, but there's a chance the Yankees could try to convince Matsui, for example, to accept a deal to a West Coast team like the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, which has some pitching to deal and could use Matsui in a pennant race. But the Yankees could end up competing with the Angels for the wild card, and it's unlikely they'd want to do something that could help a competitor.

Another possibility is San Diego. The Padres can't take on any payroll, but if they dealt a player like Phil Nevin (who's making $8.5 million this year and next) for a player like Matsui (who's making $8 million this year and can be a free agent when it's over), it could help them free up some cash for other things.

The Yankees also would consider moving their two impressive rookies, pitcher Chien-Ming Wang and second baseman Robinson Cano, to teams that are out of the race and looking to make veteran-for-prospect deals. But that will cause a rift in the organization, as some believe the Yankees should keep Wang and Cano and build their future teams around them.

Rotblatt
Jun 15 2005 02:41 PM

Oooh, I hope they do build their future teams around Wang & Cano! Because they're, you know, like, really good and stuff!

Does anyone seriously think these guys project to be the cornerstone of any team? Let alone the GREAT and MYTHIC and AWE-INSPIRING YANKEES.

That would be like us saying we're going to build our future teams around Keppinger and Scobie.

That being said, I'd be willing to send them Glavine in exchange for Wang or Cano . . .

Since they need a centerfielder, I wonder if there's anyone worth trading Cam for. Matsui for Cameron, straight up? He hasn't been terribly good this year, but I'd expect him to improve . . . Of course, we'd have to move him to RF, and I'm not sure how he'd do over there.

How sad for them that they only have one really marketable player . . .

:lol:

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 15 2005 02:45 PM

I was on board for a Matsui/Kablammeron deal months ago, or at least since it was clear Beltran would be the CF. It might risk helping the MFYs a little too much, and we'd have to predicate the deal on re-signing Matsui OR extracting xtra stuff from the MFYs, but it might provide a nice buy low-sell high type deal. I'd look into it.

silverdsl
Jun 15 2005 02:55 PM

Rotblatt wrote:
Oooh, I hope they do build their future teams around Wang & Cano! Because they're, you know, like, really good and stuff!
I think the idea regarding Wang and Cano isn't necessarily that they will be superstars in the future but that the Yankees never have the patience to allow any young players to develop and see what they might be able to do. It's an organizational philosophy that has become really problematic as we've seen this season. Cano and Wang could be around for a while in some role and come cheap. Whereas the creaky, ancient veterans the Yankees usually trade their young talent for are often highly (over) paid and won't be around for as long as a young guy might. So while Cano and Wang might end up having less than adequate major league careers I'd like to see the Yankees give them a chance for a change.

metirish
Jun 15 2005 03:06 PM

I like Wang, I've watched him pitch a few times and he has decent stuff with what looks like good composure on the mound, Cano's not bad either...

Rotblatt
Jun 15 2005 03:29 PM

]I like Wang, I've watched him pitch a few times and he has decent stuff with what looks like good composure on the mound, Cano's not bad either...


Sure. They're fine role players. But would you be happy if the Mets decided to build their team around them?

Wang's got good control but he doesn't strike people out and hasn't been particularly good in the minors. I'd guess his ceiling is as a #4 starter or so.

Cano's pretty young, but he didn't exactly set the minors on fire either. He might be an average regular at some point, but I seriously doubt anyone's projected him as much more than that.

It seems bizarre to me that after throwing away young players with actual upside like Vazquez & Weaver, they're now going to balk at trading mediocre prospects . . . It's a testement to just how depleted their farm system is. And how fucked up their player evaluation system is. One average year gets you booted, no matter how talented you are . . . Unless, of course, you're untradeable because of your huge contract.

metirish
Jun 15 2005 03:35 PM

I agree, any sane person can see that Wang probably projects as a #4 type while Cano is nothing special, of course if you watch the odd MFY game Kay and Murcer on Al Yankzeera talk up a storm about them, in one game I watched Cano made a good diving play then flipped the ball to SS, Kay nearly wet himself comparing him to Alomar in his pomp.

MFS62
Jun 16 2005 01:34 PM

That was a terrible call in the 9th last night, wasn't it?

And (sigh) Jason Bay hit that ball a long way.

Later

metirish
Jun 16 2005 01:52 PM

]That was a terrible call in the 9th last night, wasn't it?


yes it was horrible, it can be heard here, also listen to Fran on Scutaro's hit..

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp

click video highlights..

Frayed Knot
Jun 21 2005 10:51 PM

That's why they're the Devil Rays -- Lesson #14,568

After jumping on Randy Johnson and taking a 10-2 lead ... the D-Rays enter the 9th down 20-10


Here's the bottom 8th -- hope none of you had Travis Harper on your Roto team:

Franklin Nunez pitching:
Robinson Cano: singled to center.
Derek Jeter: singled to right, Cano to third
Ruben Sierra hit for Tony Womack.
Ruben Sierra: Sierra grounded out to second, =red]Cano scored, Jeter to second.
Gary Sheffield: Sheffield singled to left center, Jeter to third.
Alex Rodriguez: Rodriguez singled to left, =red]Jeter scored, Sheffield to second.

Travis Harper relieved Franklin Nunez.
Hideki Matsui: Matsui doubled to deep right, =red]Sheffield scored, Rodriguez to third.
Jason Giambi: Intentional walk - Russ Johnson ran for Jason Giambi.
Bernie Williams: Williams tripled to center, =red]Rodriguez, Matsui and Johnson scored.
Jorge Posada: =red]Posada homered to right, Williams scored.
Robinson Cano: Cano flied out to center.
Derek Jeter: singled to right.
Ruben Sierra: singled to right, Jeter to third.
Gary Sheffield: =red]Sheffield homered to left center, Jeter and Sierra scored.
Alex Rodriguez: =red]Rodriguez homered to right.
Hideki Matsui: =red]Matsui homered to center.
Russ Johnson: Johnson flied out to right.

metirish
Jun 21 2005 10:55 PM

Did the loyal yankee fans stay to see it all?, well if Lou is ever going to quit it's tonight.

Frayed Knot
Jun 28 2005 10:49 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 28 2005 11:16 PM

So the Yanx and Birds go into the 10th tied at 4 (O's tied it up in the 8th).
Yanx don't score in the top so Torre brings Stanton in to start bottom 10 so as to turn the switch-hitting Brian Roberts around to his "non-power" side.

1st and only pitch Stanton throws in the game (to Roberts) = Thank you for coming and please arrive home safely ... Yanx lose, Yanx lose.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 28 2005 10:50 PM

New Shit in a Suit

Swindal to succeed Steinbrenner
By RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer
June 28, 2005

NEW YORK (AP) -- With his 75th birthday approaching next week, Yankees owner George Steinbrenner made it official Tuesday: Son-in-law Steve Swindal will follow him as head of baseball's most storied team.

Steinbrenner did not say when Swindal would take over. At a news conference on June 15, Steinbrenner mentioned in passing that Swindal was ``going to carry on.''

``Yes, Steve will be my successor,'' Steinbrenner said through spokesman Howard Rubenstein in an e-mail response to questions from The Associated Press. ``I also have other sons, daughters, sons-in-law and daughters-in-law coming along and they will remain involved. As I have said many times, `You must let the young elephants into the tent.'''

Swindal, 50, is married to Steinbrenner's daughter, Jennifer. He said there was no way he would be as hands-on as his father-in-law.

``I think that's impossible. My inherent style is more delegation,'' Swindal said Tuesday during a telephone interview from Tampa, Fla. ``I don't think there could ever be another George Steinbrenner. He is Mr. Yankee and has represented them for 32 years. I could only could only hope to surround myself with the best, brightest baseball minds and do a lot of listening.''


Swindal said Steinbrenner had told him he would be the successor.

``We've discussed that all the kids would be involved at some point in running the team and everybody would contribute,'' Swindal said. ``It just happens at this point in time my kids are further along, and I can spend more time in New York. The other boys have younger children, and they have to stay closer to home.''

Swindal and Jennifer Steinbrenner have a daughter who just completed her freshman year in college and a son who is at the Culver Military Academy, where George Steinbrenner went to school.

Swindal was chairman of Bay Transportation Corp., a towing company, from 1987-97 and became a Yankees general partner in 1998. Harold Steinbrenner, one of George Steinbrenner's sons, also is a general partner. Steinbrenner's other son, Henry, has the title of senior executive. Steinbrenner also has another daughter, Jessica.

In his e-mail responses, George Steinbrenner wouldn't say how long he will remain in charge of the Yankees. He headed a group that bought the team in 1973.

``I love what I am doing, so I will not speculate,'' he said.

Edgy DC
Jun 28 2005 10:57 PM

]As I have said many times, `You must let the young elephants into the tent.'''


Then I imagine a lot of people have wondered a lot about what you're talking about.

]"He is Mr. Yankee ..."


If there was a Mr. Yankee, it shouldn't be him.

metirish
Jun 28 2005 11:10 PM

MFY lose to Baltimore 5/4 in 10, Kofi Annan to Chair next MFY meeting.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 28 2005 11:21 PM

Key play when the O's tied it in the 8th was a sac bunt that was either misthrown by Gordon or miscaught by Tino (both really, but I don't know who got the error). That allowed the runner on 1st to go all the way to 3rd, & he later scored.

Meanwhile, Boston got Foulked over whan after ralling for a lead, their closer coughed up 5 in the 9th and they lost 12-8.

holychicken
Jun 29 2005 08:41 AM

Yeah, I was at the red sox game last night. . .first game that I was at that I kept score. It was easy to tell from my seats way up in the bleachers that foulke got squeezed on the batter before Hafner. . . hehehehe

The only other game I scored was when I "practiced" on sunday night watching the mets vs the yanks.

Both of those games had painful endings. . . I think I might have to stop doing this.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 30 2005 06:20 AM



June 30, 2005 -- EXCLUSIVE

BALTIMORE - Mike Stanton and Paul Quantrill are the initial blood stains of the Yankees' putrid first three months, The Post has learned.

The veteran relievers were designated for assignment after last night's game against the Orioles was rained out.

Granted they weren't axed to make room for Roger Clemens or Mark Kotsay, but it's clear the summit meeting in Tampa Tuesday has claimed its initial victims.

Stanton and Quantrill, both of whom struggled in reduced roles than they have been used to, were called into Joe Torre's office and informed of the move that the club planned to announce tomorrow.

The Yankees have 10 days to trade or release the pitchers, who will likely clear waivers since Stanton makes $4 million and Quantrill $3 million. The Yankees have until tomorrow night to fill the spots. One could be calling up shortstop Felix Escalona from Columbus (Triple-A).

Stanton and Quantrill drove from Camden Yards to their New York area homes together last night and plan on remaining in the area until their situations become clearer.

"(Torre) told me I was designated for assignment and (Brian) Cashman got on the phone and said it was a move from Tampa and some other stuff," said Stanton, whose last pitch as a Yankee was belted for a game-winning home run Tuesday night by Brian Roberts. "It was shocking, it totally blindsided me. I didn't see this coming. I am numb."

Since the 38-year-old Stanton was a key member of the Yankee World Series champion teams in 1998-2000, the move hurt.

"I feel if I had gotten the opportunity to do the job and pitched my way out of it, then that was one thing," said Stanton, who was 1-2 with a 7.07 ERA in 28 games. "But I had 14 innings. I didn't think they brought me back (from the Mets) to be a left-handed specialist."

Even though his overall numbers weren't good, Stanton did well in the role as a specialist since left-handed hitters batted .176 (6-for-34) against him.

Stanton, who has a full no-trade, isn't ready to retire but he can pick and choose where he continues his career. Quantrill, doesn't have a no-trade clause, and will think about if he is done at 37.

"I certainly didn't pitch to my ability," said Quantrill, who was 1-0 with a 6.75 ERA in 22 games (32 innings). "I was always used to pitching a lot."

Quantrill, who appeared in a team-high 86 games a year ago despite pitching with a balky knee, will wait and see what develops.

"I don't want to get into a situation like I was in this year," Quantrill said. "I wasn't in the mix. I don't want to get in a situation like this again. It's not worth it. But at the end of the day I am big on being accountable and I didn't pitch well. I didn't help the team."

The emergence of Tanyon Sturtze and the addition of Buddy Groom cut into Quantrill and Stanton's work load and neither adjusted to the irregular schedule.>

ScarletKnight41
Jun 30 2005 08:21 AM

I can't say that I'm shedding any tears over that one.

holychicken
Jun 30 2005 08:33 AM

I'm shedding tears. . .do you know how many games that stanton and quatrill combined to blow for them?

At least heredia wasn't able to blow a bunch of games for us before he went out.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 30 2005 08:50 AM

Yes HC. I told D-Dad last night that we got the better of that trade.

Edgy DC
Jun 30 2005 09:13 AM

I'm curious to see what their better options will be.

They better not touch Jerry DiPoto.

metirish
Jun 30 2005 09:34 AM

Jason Anderson and a guy named Colter Bean are being talked about in the media.

Edgy DC
Jun 30 2005 09:46 AM

Jason Anderson would be the first Yankee-Met-Yankeee since... Mike Stanton.

I like what this says.

"Hey, you want this?"

"I've no use for another one of your hand-me-downs, thanks."

"Then, um, can I have it back?"

metirish
Jun 30 2005 09:54 AM

Cue Mr. Bean jokes if young Colter gets called up.

seawolf17
Jun 30 2005 10:04 AM

Mr. Bean was up earlier; he pitched two innings against Anaheim in April. Good to see them scuffling like this; it warms the cockles of my heart.

metirish
Jun 30 2005 10:09 AM

I suppose Torre will look to Scott Proctor to emerge as a trusted warrior outta the bullpen.

seawolf17
Jun 30 2005 04:25 PM

Stanton & Quantrill out, Bubba Crosby up for OF help and Wayne Franklin into the bullpen.

Franklin (age 31):
2003 MIL - 10-13, 5.50 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 79 ERA+
2004 SF - 2-1, 6.40 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 69 ERA+

(snicker snicker snicker)

metirish
Jun 30 2005 04:28 PM

That's a potent OF, Womack, Crosby and Sheff...

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 30 2005 04:31 PM

Wayne Franklin?

He's the guy I used to watch play High school and legion games as a small-town cub reporter. He was a nice rosy-cheeked kid.

When he was with Houston I met him at Shea and he told me how he once threw at Robin Ventura on purpose.

metirish
Jul 01 2005 09:55 AM

Fight Night at Yankee Stadium

New York Yankee stars Derek Jeter and Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez have stopped beating themselves up for their team’s worst season in over a decade—and started beating on each other. On June 20, after a throwing error from Jeter to Rodriguez handed the Yankees a 5-4 loss to the last-place Tampa Bay Devil Rays, a TV producer says the sluggers came to blows in the clubhouse.


“I was doing an interview in the locker room and saw them go at it,” says the source. “A-Rod walked past Jeter’s locker and mumbled something about his throw, then Jeter told him to go fuck himself and all hell broke lose. Their teammates were pulling them away from each other.”

Tensions between the two have been brewing since Rodriguez dissed Jeter in a 2001 Esquire interview. As a result, we hear, Jeter, the Gold Glove-winning team captain, never wanted his ex-pal on the team in the first place—but Yankees boss George Steinbrenner didn’t listen.

“Now you have guys like Bernie Williams who remember winning the World Series taking Jeter’s side, and then you have the trades, like Tony Womack, taking A-Rod’s side,” says a ballclub insider. “What you have is a team that’s split, and you can’t win baseball games like that.” Yankees spokesman Rick Cerrone called the fight an “absolute fantasy,” and denied any rift between the players, claiming “there are no lines drawn in the clubhouse.” Not since Darryl Strawberry anyway.

http://www.radaronline.com/fresh-intelligence/2005/06/30/index.php#report_001642

Frayed Knot
Jul 05 2005 02:25 PM

Good lord the freakin O's suck!

It was bad enough yesterday when - after erasing a 6-0 defecit - they promptly gave up a 7-run 8th to the MFYs (although, to be fair, I'm not sure I've ever seen a 7-run inning built on as many dinky hits).
So today they decide to follow it up by spotting the Yanx a 10-zip lead (and still counting). Serving up HRs to A-Rod, Sheff & Giambi (3rd in 2 games) was bad enough but they managed to blow consecutive DP balls and a run-down play to set up the whole barrage.
Oh, and Randy Johnson is perfect thru 4.

Between these clowns and Keith Foulke blowing another game yesterday, the Yanx could wind up w/another sub-90 win division crown a la 2000.

metirish
Jul 05 2005 02:43 PM

Damn the O's are in full free fall mode, Maz probably won't be back next year if this keeps up, at least the no hit bid is gone, O's have 2 hits, 3 errors, MFY 10/0

Edgy DC
Jul 05 2005 03:05 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 05 2005 05:50 PM

Anybody other outlets confirm the spat in the locker room?

"Hey, Derek, nice throw."

"Hey, Alex, nice slap."

"Nice face."

"Face of baseball, sucka."

"Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick..."

"What the Hell is that?

"Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick..."

"Shut up! What the Hell is that?"

"It's the Yankees' A-Rod to Shortstop Clock, Captain. Tick, tick, tick, tick..."

"Your ice is thin. Watch it now."

"Oooh, yeah, like hitting me with one of your intangible fists is going to make that clock tick any slower. Tick, tick, tick, tick..."

"I hat you!"

"You need me, you bastard."

metirish
Jul 05 2005 03:24 PM

I've not seen that report anywhere else, cool story though.

Frayed Knot
Jul 05 2005 04:22 PM

The Daily News referred to it - citing the same source.
I'm not giving it much credibility.

metirish
Jul 08 2005 10:02 AM

This says it all really...

One fan, two dropped home run balls

BRIAN COSTA
STAFF WRITER

July 8, 2005


Well, we know one guy who won't be the Yankees' next centerfielder. Lacks range. Bad hands. Injury-prone, too.

Incredibly, Robert Marchese, 41, of Flushing had a chance to catch two homers at Yankee Stadium last night -- and missed both. Even more incredibly, the first one bruised him and the second one left him with a cut finger.


Marchese was sitting in the first row in the rightfield stands when Alex Rodriguez's two-run homer in the first inning came his way. It ricocheted off him.

"The first one, I was zoned in," Marchese said while talking to friends on his cell phone. "I had it locked. But the speed was faster than I thought. It hit me right on the wrist," he said, showing his bruise.

He then fumbled away Jason Giambi's solo shot in the second, which bounced out of rightfielder Casey Blake's glove, off Marchese and back onto the field. Marchese's right pinky was cut by Blake's glove on the play. Blake then flipped it back over Marchese's head.

Marchese's two errors prompted his mother to call him on his cell phone. "She asked me why I didn't bring my glove," he said.

Maybe he dropped it on the way to the park.
]

Edgy DC
Jul 08 2005 10:12 AM

Flushing. Nice.

Rotblatt
Jul 08 2005 01:01 PM

These comments on the "Make Derek Jeter An All-Star" petition are juvenile, but hilarious.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?JeterASG&1

Rotblatt
Jul 08 2005 01:03 PM

My favorite so far:

]158. Ricky Henderson - Ricky used to play with a guy that pumped his fist


That fucking shit cracks me up.

soupcan
Jul 08 2005 01:08 PM

I like this one -

]60. Pokey Reese - Guess you forgot to ram your face into the stands on a routine pop-up this year? Better luck next time.

metirish
Jul 08 2005 01:13 PM

Great find Roblatt..

]111. Yank Fan Frank - Jeter is a great Yankee. He would do anything to help the Yanks win (except change positions). He should be there for his intangibles.


hahaha..

]126. Scott Podsednik - Haha. I'm not even good and I beat you. I mean, come on, I suck... People must really hate you...


love it.

metirish
Jul 08 2005 01:19 PM

best yet..

]22. Santa Claus - Derek Jeter is still an all-star in the heart of every girl who blindly believes in media hype, in the soul of every boy who has no range to his left, in the mind of every 37 year old from Queens whose been a diehard fan since 1996. Dont fret, as long as the myth of our Captain remains alive in our hearts, no rational facts or voting process can take his all-star glow away

seawolf17
Jul 08 2005 01:22 PM

Or
]108. A-Rod -- ha ha I'm going.

Edgy DC
Jul 08 2005 01:37 PM

Can we like not do the fellatio jokes here?

seawolf17
Jul 08 2005 01:40 PM

Did I miss a fellatio joke somewhere? I'm listening to too much Stephen Lynch - I'm losing touch with what regular people consider "offensive."

cooby
Jul 08 2005 01:41 PM

Thank you seawolf, I have reread this six times now, even the previous page...

Edgy DC
Jul 08 2005 01:49 PM

No, sorry, I'm referring to 84.8% of the cracks in the petition, and trying to stop the culture creep before it starts.

soupcan
Jul 08 2005 01:55 PM

I think you don't have enough faith in us.

Edgy DC
Jul 08 2005 01:58 PM

I'm sorry. I do.

But us and them ain't always so clearly defined.

I think sex is excellent. Don't like to see it degraded so.

Bret Sabermetric
Jul 08 2005 02:07 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Can we like not do the fellatio jokes here?


Here's your answer: ban Scarlet Knight. http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?p=7535&highlight=#7535

At least you have the taste to use the latinate form of the noun.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 08 2005 02:11 PM

Hey - I haven't said anything that others around here haven't said many times before.

If there's a consensus that we're going to clean things up here, I'd be fine with that. Is there?

Bret Sabermetric
Jul 08 2005 02:17 PM

I kid, Scarlet, I kid. He'll ban you just after he bans himself.

The yardsticks vary, depending on who's under discussion, is my point.

seawolf17
Jul 08 2005 02:19 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 02:23 PM

Nice job, everyone. Not only can we not make fellatio jokes anymore (not that I was doing that), but now Scarlet has to try to explain it to MK.

edited to change caps to italics

cooby
Jul 08 2005 02:22 PM

Seawolf, nothing is quite so bad as a fellatio joking being shouted at us.

Tell them softly, please

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 08 2005 02:24 PM

Jeter blows.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 08 2005 02:25 PM

="seawolf17"]Nice job, everyone. Not only can we not make fellatio jokes anymore (not that I was doing that), but now Scarlet has to try to explain it to MK.


The thing is, one of these days I'm going to have to explain to MK what the MF in MFYs stands for. He knows that it's a bad word, and he's willing to leave it at that for the moment. But one of these years he's going to hear the term and a lightbulb is going to go off over that little head.

cooby
Jul 08 2005 02:26 PM

="seawolf17"]Nice job, everyone. Not only can we not make fellatio jokes anymore (not that I was doing that), but now Scarlet has to try to explain it to MK.

edited to change caps to italics



Oh sure, make me look like an idiot. You wanker.

cooby
Jul 08 2005 02:27 PM

="ScarletKnight41"]
="seawolf17"]Nice job, everyone. Not only can we not make fellatio jokes anymore (not that I was doing that), but now Scarlet has to try to explain it to MK.


The thing is, one of these days I'm going to have to explain to MK what the MF in MFYs stands for. He knows that it's a bad word, and he's willing to leave it at that for the moment. But one of these years he's going to hear the term and a lightbulb is going to go off over that little head.



Scarlet, trust me on this.

He will live.

Rotblatt
Jul 08 2005 02:41 PM

]Scarlet, trust me on this.

He will live.


He might giggle a lot at first, though.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 08 2005 02:47 PM

Oh, I'm sure he'll be fine. MiniKnight is a tough little kid.

It's his 12-year-old brother who'll have the vapors over it, though.

Actually, the fact that the kids often hear bad language once worked to our advantage. When we were showing them the Ken Burns Baseball documentary a couple of years ago, I stopped the tape just before the Jackie Robinson segment and explained to them, "You know that Mommy and Daddy sometimes use bad words, right? Well, you're going to hear words on this show that you have never heard Mommy and Daddy use, and you are NEVER to use them!" I think that made a real impression on them.

Willets Point
Jul 08 2005 02:53 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 08 2005 02:58 PM

Famous fellatio joke:

]
A friend of a guy in the Nutrition School at Tufts was one of the lucky passengers on board a Northwest Airlines flight to Boston during our recent hurricane "Bob". The captain did his best to skirt the edge of the storm, but it was a pretty rough ride just the same - rough enough that the flight attendants were ordered to strap themselves into their seats for about half an hour, and many of the passengers were putting the little plastic-lined bags in their seat pockets to good use. When the turbulence finally abated, the flight attendants unbuckled themselves, and the captain's voice came on over the intercom:

"Well, folks, that was quite some ride, wasn't it? But we came through it fine, just the way we always do, and I'm happy to report that it looks like the remainder of our trip should be much calmer. On behalf of myself and today's flight crew, I'd like to thank you very much for your calmness and cooperation, and extend our best wishes for a pleasant stay in Boston."

After a short pause and several clicks:

"Jesus Christ - whadda bitchin' ride. Boy, I sure could use a cup of good strong coffee and a blow job, right about now."

As a stricken stewardess dashed up the aisle to the cabin to inform the captain that his intercom was still on, one of the passengers called after her, "Don't forget the coffee!"

soupcan
Jul 08 2005 02:56 PM

Excellent.

metirish
Jul 08 2005 02:57 PM

ROTFL...brilliant

cooby
Jul 08 2005 03:17 PM

That's okay, I look like an idiot enough that everyone is used to it

Bret Sabermetric
Jul 08 2005 03:57 PM

Ban WP ...NOW!!!!


Scarlet, you do recall the original exchange that I was twitting you over, don't you? It had to do with a thread I headed something like "Becky Offers Doc G Oral Sex"--and you strongly objected to my tastelessness?

Willets Point
Jul 08 2005 04:07 PM

Banning me is like so 2001.

Bret Sabermetric
Jul 08 2005 04:15 PM

Willets Point wrote:
Banning me is like so 2001.


Oh, them was the days!!!

ScarletKnight41
Jul 08 2005 04:16 PM

It wasn't so much the tastelessness as the mischaracterization to which I objected.

Bret Sabermetric
Jul 08 2005 04:55 PM

Blow me.

KC
Jul 08 2005 04:57 PM

Did you use a wood on that one, or an iron?

seawolf17
Jul 10 2005 03:34 PM

A's signed Mark Kotsay to an extension, so he ain't going anywhere. Looks like they're stuck with Melky and the Old Man in center for now. (he he)

metirish
Jul 14 2005 10:07 AM

ESPN insider says Shawn Chacon could be on his way to the MFY's.

SI Metman
Jul 14 2005 04:05 PM

The Yanks lose their Wang.

Wang on the shelf with shoulder inflamation, possibly done for the season. Tim Redding called up to make the start in Fenway tomorrow night.

Frayed Knot
Jul 14 2005 04:08 PM

And who did "ESPN Insider" steal that piece of info from?




Meanwhile in the non-rumor world: Chin-Ming Wang to the 15-day DL (shoulder inflammation) and Tim Redding called up.
Sounds like they may need both halves of the Quantrill deal - Redding & Darrell May - to go against the BoSox this weekend.


on edit: D'oh, S.I.M. quicker on the draw

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 14 2005 10:07 PM

Going to the 9th, Schilling in to pitch for Boston in a 6-6 game.

I got the TH Bazooka locked & loaded.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 14 2005 10:13 PM

Ooops. This game has shark-leaping potential.

Rotblatt
Jul 14 2005 10:18 PM

I think A-Rod is now officially a True Yankee to Yankee fans.

That must have been sweet payback for him after Curt called him out on the bitch slap in the offseason.

Frayed Knot
Jul 14 2005 10:19 PM

Schilling's first two batters as a reliever:
long 2B (Sheffield) - longer HR (A-Rod).

Sox suxx for losing (prolly) this game. They jump out to a 4-0 lead in the 1st inning at home ... and then couldn't hold it. Then they blew a 6-5 lead.
With the pitching matchups in their favor for most of the weekend, they had a real chance to stick a dagger in today.

Now they're down 2, looking at Rivera, and only a 1-1/2 game lead.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 14 2005 10:25 PM

Sal's team sucks.

Willets Point
Jul 14 2005 10:46 PM

Freakin' Yankees will probably sweep this four game set launching themselves into first place for the rest of the season, then they cinch up the pennant in dramatic fashion and sweep the World Series. Sports news will be flooded with stories about the Yankees heroic comeback from their early season woes. You read it here first.

Freakin' Yankees!!!

Rotblatt
Jul 14 2005 11:03 PM

Gag.

I fear your vision, WP. And I think you're right.

metirish
Jul 15 2005 09:35 AM

Big win for the yanks, but they are on a 10 game road trip with no off-days and four starters on the disabled list, can they survive with hardly any pitching?

sharpie
Jul 15 2005 09:43 AM

Tim Redding's chance tonight to become a True Yankee.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 15 2005 10:54 AM

Rotblatt wrote:
I think A-Rod is now officially a True Yankee to Yankee fans.


When the guy on Channel 7 said it last night, I told D-Dad how you called it first.

Willets Point
Jul 15 2005 11:13 AM

Tonight when A-Rod steps to the plate and a lobster pops out his helmet, his bat melts like a candle, and home plate quacks he will become a Surreal Yankee.

Frayed Knot
Jul 15 2005 09:35 PM

Tim Redding says that it's always been his dream to get an embarassing ass-kicking in a Yankee uniform.

17-1 Sox last time I checked.

metirish
Jul 16 2005 12:18 PM

Florida and the MFY's agree to terms on Leiter, he could start tomorrow.

OlerudOwned
Jul 16 2005 02:49 PM

Aside from a Bellhorn homer, Boston's only hit, Big Eunuch and the MFYs are killing em 6-1 early. But theres time

metirish
Jul 16 2005 03:39 PM

It's 6-4 now, the small-unit is looking weary, and the Sox 3rd base coach is terrible, he cost them a run earlier when the score was 6 - 2 by not sending the runner home on Williams in CF, the trail runner was then caught in between 2nd and 3rd and thrown out at 2nd.

Edgy DC
Jul 16 2005 05:43 PM

Boston also won a game 17-1 over New York last season, right?

metirish
Jul 16 2005 05:48 PM

I think they did it already this season, not sure about last season.

Elster88
Jul 17 2005 12:12 PM

This may have been mentioned already: Leiter starting today.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 01:03 PM

Didn't even know they had grabbed him.

Surprised nobody, of course.

Wonder who the PtBNL willl be.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 17 2005 02:51 PM

MIKE IGNITED DEAL FOR LEITER II

By STEFAN C. FRIEDMAN
PHOTO LEFTY RIGHTIE: Mayor Bloomberg with fellow GOPer and then-Met southpaw Al Leiter at an event for last year's convention, helped rescue him from Miami.

July 17, 2005 -- Put me in, mayor — I'm ready to play, today.

Mayor Bloomberg played a key role in the Yankees trading for fan favorite and fellow Republican Al Leiter, making personal pitches to both the left-handed hurler and team brass to get a deal done, The Post has learned.

Hours after the Florida Marlins designated Leiter for assignment, Hizzoner got on his cellphone late Friday afternoon to encourage Leiter — whose 19-season career started with the Yankees in 1987 — and team president Randy Levine to broker an agreement.

"I hear Al's available," Bloomberg said to Levine, a source close to the mayor told The Post. "Wouldn't it be great if you guys could bring him back to New York?

"Leiter would be a great addition to the Yankees," Bloomberg added, according to another source.

After that five- to 10-minute chat, Bloomberg dialed the just-jilted Leiter in Florida.

The mayor said, "I don't know what your next move is, but New York would welcome you back with open arms," a source recalled.

To avoid potential Major League Baseball tampering issues, Bloomberg did not tell Levine or Leiter about the calls made to the other party.

While the Yankees immediately got in touch with the Marlins when Leiter became available, a source close to negotiations said Bloomberg was "helpful in getting the deal done from both sides of the agreement."

The deal became official yesterday afternoon when the Yankees and the Marlins signed off on the deal.

Leiter is expected to make his second Yankee debut against the hated Boston Red Sox tonight at Fenway Park.

The Yankees sent $400,000 to Florida toward the remaining $2.8 million on Leiter's contract, which the Marlins will continue to pay.

Leiter, who's been nothing short of a disaster with the Marlins this season, gets a chance to resuscitate his career playing for a perennial World Series contender, while the injury-plagued Bombers get a desperately needed starting pitcher.

And Bloomberg, who isn't exactly thought of as a sports enthusiast, hits a home run with voters by helping to sign an enormously popular ballplayer on both sides of town.

Although Leiter broke in with the Yankees, he made his mark in a Mets uniform.

As the heart, soul and guts of a team that played well beyond its abilities, Leiter led the Mets to a Subway Series showdown with the Yanks in 2000, a series that the team from Flushing dropped four games to one.

The Bloomberg-Leiter relationship has spanned four years.

The southpaw campaigned for Bloomberg in 2001 and served as the emcee at the mayor's inauguration.

The 39-year-old Toms River, N.J., native added some much-needed star power to last summer's Republican National Convention, appearing with then-teammate Tom Glavine at the Time Warner Center opening-night media gala.

In turn, Bloomberg pledged his support to Leiter should the pitcher make good on rumors he'll run for office on the GOP line when his playing days are over.

"He'd make a great elected official," Bloomberg said last November while the Manhattan Chamber of Commerce was honoring Leiter. "He's a leader."

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 02:54 PM

That's cool. Anthony Wiener helped bring us Danny Graves.

metirish
Jul 17 2005 04:03 PM

Don't forget that the Boston game starts at 6PM today , the ESPY awards will follow.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 17 2005 06:01 PM

The picture the GOP doesn;t want you to see

Elster88
Jul 17 2005 06:19 PM

]a team that played well beyond its abilities,
Sigh.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:19 PM

Leiter, like you knew (you claim now) he would, went 6 1/3, giving up one run on three hits, with eight strikeouts and three walks.

Stutze took over and finished the seventh. Yanks up 5-1 in the eighth.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:44 PM

Yanks up 5-2 in the ninth, after Ramirez homers to open and Bosstown gets the next runner on against Rivera.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:47 PM

Nixon reaches on an error by Robinson "The Future" Cano to bring the tying run to the plate. Still no oots.

'Tek on to pinch-ht.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:48 PM

'Tek singles home run number three.

Go crazy folks. Mueller up.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:50 PM

Mueller, the man to tell me about the promotion, singles to load them up for Cora.

Still no outs. Tying run on second. Stottlemyer out to plead with Rivera to save his neck.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:52 PM

Cora does the worst thing he can do, grounding into a 5-2-3 doubleplay.

He's not a real Red Sock anyway. Apeman up.

Edgy DC
Jul 17 2005 08:53 PM

Damon grounds out.

Stupid Yankees.

Frayed Knot
Jul 17 2005 09:17 PM

I could go on a 'How do the Sox suxx, let me count the ways' thread but I wouldn't know where to start.
They came into this series with a 2-1/2 game lead and the Yanx in their worst pitching crisis in years. Then they began the deal by jumping out to a 4-0 lead on Mussina ... and still they managed to lose not only that game but the entire series despite out-scoring the MFYs overall and reduced the lead just one-half game.

Arroyo sucked (yeah, go do another rock concert before your next start Einstein) and their base-running/coaching - when they decide to run that is (cough Manny cough) - is the worst.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 17 2005 09:30 PM

Let's go O's

metirish
Jul 17 2005 09:34 PM

Enjoyable game, bad result, did anyone see after the game by the dugout Torre and Pay-Rod were talking, looked to me that Torre was pissed about something, it was probably nothing but he was kinda in his face, anyone else see that?

Willets Point
Jul 17 2005 10:33 PM

He'll be happy when they hoist the trophy in October, as it is looking it is destined to be.

metirish
Jul 18 2005 10:50 PM

Wild game in Texas, Brown is horrible again but the MFY lead 9-6 until bernie Willimas drops the 3rd out , score tied, Soriano up next gets the Rangers the lead 10 - 9, he's 4 for 4, can't anyone play CF for the $208M team?

Elster88
Jul 19 2005 09:04 AM

The Yankees win, Boston loses, Yankees in first.

Dammit.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 19 2005 09:10 AM

Kazmir beat the Sox...again. 6 innings, 0 runs, 3 hits, 6 walks, 7 k's, 120+ pitches.

holychicken
Jul 19 2005 09:19 AM

I was at the sox game last night.

They HAD Kazmir in the first. . .Damon reached on an error, then both Renteria and Ortiz reached (both on walks, I think). . .Then Manny, who could have moved himself to within 1 grandslam of the all time record, GiDP. They scored one run on it. Kazmir then proceeded to load the bases again for Nixon, who struck out.

It was totally frustrating. . .

Elster88
Jul 19 2005 09:24 AM

Damon's 29-game hit streak ended. I didn't even realize it was going.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 09:26 AM

My workday is taken up by work today, but if anyone can run Kazzy's career numbers against Boston versus everybody else, I'd sure like to see it.

How badly must Steinbrenner want Kazmir right now?

metirish
Jul 19 2005 10:13 AM

I'll give it a try Edgy, problem is I can never get this toi line up properly.

] G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
vs.BAL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.0 6 5 4 2 3 2 7.20 1.80 .316
vs.BOS 4 4 1 1 0 0 0 21.1 13 4 4 1 11 23 1.69 1.13 .183
vs.DET 4 4 1 3 0 0 0 19.2 17 15 15 3 15 17 6.86 1.63 .230
vs.KC 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.0 4 5 5 0 5 5 11.25 2.25 .267
vs.MIN 2 2 0 2 0 0 0 14.0 11 7 6 1 5 11 3.86 1.14 .220
vs.NYY 3 2 1 1 0 0 0 16.0 14 7 5 1 7 17 2.81 1.31 .230
vs.OAK 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 16.0 19 9 7 1 7 11 3.94 1.63 .297
vs.SEA 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 11.1 7 3 3 1 7 9 2.38 1.24 .179
vs.TOR 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 19.1 24 13 13 1 11 16 6.05 1.81 .304
vs.PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 4.2 8 9 9 1 3 7 17.36 2.36 .348
vs.STL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.0 6 2 2 0 3 5 4.50 2.25 .353

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 10:37 AM

Vs.WLERAGGSCGSHOSVSVOIPHRERHRHBPBBSO
Boston Red Sox211.3255000027.11654041730
Everybody Else495.4522210000114.0116756912566100

Iubitul
Jul 19 2005 10:40 AM

GGSWLSV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
vs.BAL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 5.0 6 5 4 2 3 2 7.20 1.80 .316
vs.BOS 4 4 1 1 0 0 0 21.1 13 4 4 1 11 23 1.69 1.13 .183
vs.DET 4 4 1 3 0 0 0 19.2 17 15 15 3 15 17 6.86 1.63 .230
vs.KC 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.0 4 5 5 0 5 5 11.25 2.25 .267
vs.MIN 2 2 0 2 0 0 0 14.0 11 7 6 1 5 11 3.86 1.14 .220
vs.NYY 3 2 1 1 0 0 0 16.0 14 7 5 1 7 17 2.81 1.31 .230
vs.OAK 3 3 1 0 0 0 0 16.0 19 9 7 1 7 11 3.94 1.63 .297
vs.SEA 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 11.1 7 3 3 1 7 9 2.38 1.24 .179
vs.TOR 4 4 0 2 0 0 0 19.1 24 13 13 1 11 16 6.05 1.81 .304
vs.PIT 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 4.2 8 9 9 1 3 7 17.36 2.36 .348
vs.STL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.0 6 2 2 0 3 5 4.50 2.25 .353

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 10:43 AM

Thanks both. I got impatient and sorted out on my own (previous post).

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2005 11:43 AM

It's now official: Yanqui pitchers can't pitch bad enough to lose.

I mean, unless you really pull a Tim Redding (and he was never a real
Yankee anyway) and give up 3 touchdowns, merely sucking is good
enough these days.
Brown coughs up 3 in the 1st last night and was winning by top of the
2nd.
I also got a kick out of all the stories in the Sunday papers talking
about what a gutty performance Unit gave the Skanks on Saturday
allowing them to win. His line: 6.1 IP, 4 ER, 8 H, 3 BB
That's about an average Ishii start.

sharpie
Jul 19 2005 11:54 AM

Ishii would be a great Yankee.

SI Metman
Jul 19 2005 12:24 PM

so who's going to knock them out in October? Anaheim? Pale Hose? Tony's Cards?

Willets Point
Jul 19 2005 12:33 PM

The 2005 World Series Champions have seized control of first place in the AL East. The only question left now is cyanide, rope, or gun.

Elster88
Jul 19 2005 02:23 PM

SI Metman wrote:
so who's going to knock them out in October? Anaheim? Pale Hose? Tony's Cards?
I'd say the (White) Sox are the best shot, going on the beating the Cards took last year. Maybe Mulder will help some?

silverdsl
Jul 19 2005 08:34 PM

Willets Point wrote:
The 2005 World Series Champions have seized control of first place in the AL East. The only question left now is cyanide, rope, or gun.
Kidding right? Maybe I'm a bad fan but I can't see how the Yankees can last long in the post-season with their lousy starting pitching not to mention the lack of a real centerfielder. Don't get me wrong, I love the way they're playing right now and that they're in first but realistically how long is it going to be until the problems catch up with them?

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 09:19 PM

Piazza nails Roberts on a delayed steal when the ball in the dirt kind of just rolls off his leg into his hand.

Great tag by Reyes.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 19 2005 09:20 PM

Edgy - wrong thread.

silver - we're working the karma here.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 09:23 PM

A second walk on Giles and a single by Klesko and it's first and thrid with two outs.

Koo faced three lefties and gave up two walks and a hit to Klesko, who hadn't hit lefties most of his career.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 19 2005 09:24 PM

You're still in the wrong thread.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 09:25 PM

Um, yeah, well, I could delete all of these posts any time.

I hate this new forum. Have I said that?

Frayed Knot
Jul 19 2005 10:50 PM

Meanwhile back to the original purpose of this thread:

One night after blowing every single lead and break they could, Texas (and CH Park of all people) held the Yanx scoreless until the 8th.
But of course they pick THIS GAME to get themselves shutout.
Torre now trying to get thru the 8th w/the likes of Wayne Franklin &
Scott Proctor. Rangers are cooperating by having Teixiera hit into GiDP
with 2-on/none out.

I swear the next time that team plays the Yanx hard will be the first.


And as I'm typing this and cursing those M-Fers, Hank Blalock shuts me up w/a 2R HR (picking up Teixiera's mess) and it's 2-1 Texas in the 8th.

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 10:56 PM

I knew it!

Edgy DC
Jul 19 2005 11:18 PM

Game over. Double happiness for now.

On to San Francisco where Atlanta leads, 2-1.

Good day so far for the division. The Mets, Washington, and Philadelphia have won. Florida and Atlanta are winning.

seawolf17
Jul 21 2005 02:58 PM

More [url=http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout7-19c.htm]Dugout[/url] funnies.

ScarletKnight41
Jul 21 2005 03:00 PM

ROFL - that was great <g>

metirish
Jul 21 2005 03:12 PM

loved it seawolf, and A-Rod does talk like that..

metirish
Jul 22 2005 09:42 AM

Vlad the impaler sends the fans home happy with a grannie to beat the MFY's.

Frayed Knot
Jul 22 2005 10:45 PM

M---er-F---er why does every team turn stoopid when playing the Yanx?

A-Rod should have been thrown out THREE TIMES on his trek around the base but was safe each time due to LAA stupidity and/or incompetence.
Witness:

- he's on 1st after a single

- a Matsui bouncer to 2nd. A-Rod stops so Adam Kennedy has to tag him and won't get the DP ... except Kennedy decides to ignore him and gets the batter instead! Yeah, no reason why you want to keep a runner out of scoring position you dork!

- 2 pitches later, catcher Molina then pegs a pick-off throw down to 2nd which has him dead by 2 feet ... except the SS completely whiffs on the throw allowing it to go into CF

- the CF picks up the ball and fires it to 3rd as Alex tries to advance, the throw gets there just in time for the 3rd sacker ... to miss the freakin tag!!

He then scored on a 60 ft ground out.



Leiter, meantime, doesn't look nearly as sharp as his first outing ... but it would be a lot worse if the freakin' ump didn't call an Angel hit down the 3rd base line foul when it clearly not only hit the line but did so right at his freakin' feet!! Oh yeah, there were 2 on at the time.


Good thing I'm not bitter though huh?

OlerudOwned
Jul 23 2005 10:21 PM

I cant wait to see Kevin Brown face Vlad

Elster88
Jul 24 2005 12:43 PM

Giambi has 16 homers, his average is about .285, and his OBP is around .413.

Dammit.

OlerudOwned
Jul 24 2005 02:19 PM

="Elster88"]Giambi has 16 homers, his average is about .285, and his OBP is around .413.

Dammit.

Streaking Giambi Suspended for Blatant Use of Undetectable Steroids

On the heels of hitting his fifth homer in six games and seeing his average spike to .278 before the All-Star break, Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi was suspended today by baseball for violating the league’s drug policy.

“Everyone knows that Jason Giambi is a terrible player without the use of steroids. He’s proven that over the past two years,” said commissioner Bud Selig. “That’s why his sudden resurgence in the past month proves that he’s back on the juice. He hasn’t tested positive, but all that means is that he’s obviously using some new strain of steroids that doesn’t show up on drug tests that BALCO has developed.”

Giambi claims he is innocent and says he will file a grievance with the players’ union to fight the suspension. But players union chief Donald Fehr said he doesn’t think the union will be throwing it’s support behind Giambi.
Click Here

“There is still a huge cloud of doubt over our players and I don’t think make a huge, public appeal for the biggest steroids user of them all really helps our cause,” said Fehr. “Plus, lets be reasonable here – it’s very clear Giambi is back on ‘roids. Five home runs in six games for Jason Giambi of all people? I could see him striking out five times in six at-bats, or maybe hitting five home runs in six months, but anything better than that is extremely suspicious. That guy blows.”

Under major league baseball’s new steroids policy, Giambi is suspended for 10 days without pay. He will be able to return to the Yankees lineup on July 23rd. A second violation would mean a 30-day suspension, a third would bring 60 days and a fourth would ban him from the game for a year.

Selig said he will be quick to suspend Giambi again if his use of undetectable steroids continues upon his return.

“If his batting average goes a single point higher or if he hits more than one or two home runs a month he’s going to get suspended again for violating the drug policy. It’s that simple,” said Selig. “I’m not going to let a no-talent schlub like Giambi make a mockery of our game by putting up somewhat respectable numbers.”

Yankees manager Joe Torre said he saw this coming.

“With the first home run I was happy for him. And the second one I thought that maybe he just got lucky again,” said Torre. “But when he hit the third one I looked at [pitching coach] Mel [Stottlemyre], rolled my eyes and said: ‘Here we go again.’ And then he kept hitting them. I mean jeez, Jason, if you’re going to cheat at least try to be somewhat subtle about it. Jason Giambi not embarrassing himself on a baseball field is no less damning evidence that he’s on steroids than it would be if he went up to bat with a needle sticking out of his butt.”



www.Sportspickle.com article

Centerfield
Jul 24 2005 04:53 PM

Anaheim, going for the sweep, leads 1-0 in the 3rd. Michael Kay just gave us a detailed account of Juan Rivera's stint with the Yankees being cut short when he stole Derek Jeter's glove. The team meeting, the conflict Mariano must have felt over his cousin, Kay relayed the story as if it happened yesterday. When Rivera grounded into a double play started by Jeter, Kay quipped that Jeter had "extracted a measure of revenge."

Of course, Juan Rivera never played for the Yankees...and never stole Derek Jeter's glove. The glove thief was Ruben Rivera...which Kay acknowledged about five minutes later (presumably after someone pointed out this egregious mistake).

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 24 2005 05:12 PM

Classic. Kay just called the inning-ending DP Gay-rod this way:

Fly ball to right, it will score the tying run. Here comes Cano, here comes Rivera's throw ... and he's out! Inning over.

Frayed Knot
Jul 27 2005 08:59 PM

My god the Twins suck!

Leiter's faced 26 batters tonight, has allowed exactly half of them to reach base ... and still he's through 5 innings down only 1-zip. They've left the bags loaded (twice) had a runner thrown out at the plate, had 1st & 2nd no one out and not scored, yyybbb.

Fortunately it's Santana against him for the Twinkies (not that he's been great shakes this year) or this would be a typical Yanqui blowout by now.

seawolf17
Jul 27 2005 09:00 PM

That's what Leiter did all year last year... wow, those were frustrating times.

cooby
Jul 27 2005 09:02 PM

Disgusting, isn't it? He's like a friggin eel

That plus half his pitches have been balls, so he's got tons of walks


Here we go: 97 pitches: 53 balls 44 strikes

metirish
Jul 27 2005 09:11 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2005 09:25 PM

And Paul O Neill is a dick, during the second inning after YES showed a clip on Joe DiMaggio's last WS verus the NY Giants O'Neill said something like this...

]Mike you grew up here and Kitty you played here,I've all ways felt that NY is a yankee city, yeah I know they Mets have some fans but was it like that back in the days when they(giants) were playing here,were the Giants treated then like the Mets are now towards the yankees


To be fair to Katt and Kay they said what needed to be said,katt basically said that "well the Mets have lots of fans and a lot of them would have been former Dodger and Giants fans"

Kay..." Paul it's also cyclical because in the 80's NYC was a Mets town, they drew over 3 million fans in 86"

O'Neill " yeah I played against them back then, but it didn't have the same electricity as yankee stadium"


I hate O'Neill

seawolf17
Jul 27 2005 09:19 PM

Jeez, he's a dick. Like I need one more reason to hat that moron. You know what, Paulie? Just STFU on stuff when you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, you too, Kay. Sterling may be a pompous ass, and Suzyn may be nails on a chalkboard, but at least they both kinda know their baseball.

Frayed Knot
Jul 27 2005 10:35 PM

O'Niell's pretty much a harmless schlub IMO.
But what this points out is that ballplayers aren't always the best ones to explain things about their own game because they often treat as fact things which they've viewed through their own experiences.
'Gee, I felt more electricity when playing for pennants w/the Yanx in NYC than I did as a visiting player w/my Cincy-based team therefore this must be now and forever a Yanqui town!'



Meanwhile, Minny tried hard to blow a 6-0 lead in the 8th. They walked & error-ed a few home and then Bernie just missed a game-tying 3R HR.
Now 7-3 Twinkies in top 9.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 27 2005 10:42 PM

Al had 74 pitches and left 8 men on base thru 3 innings in that game. Yet he only gave up 1 run.

seawolf17
Jul 28 2005 11:16 AM



Two words: Hideo Nomo.

/laughs riotously

OlerudOwned
Jul 30 2005 03:54 PM

Yankees sign Embree and get no surprises, he gives up 3 runs and blows the lead in his 1st appearence

seawolf17
Jul 30 2005 04:49 PM

Friendly Colleague MFY Fan: So now the Mets are getting Manny? What are they, the "Mets Sox?"
My wife: That'd be fine, considering they kicked your ass last year.
MFY Fan: /skulks away silently

KC
Jul 30 2005 05:19 PM

Freakin MFY's.

I just had to post that, no one listens to me at home.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 30 2005 05:21 PM

Scoscia brings in a green lefty to protect a 4-run lead and he gives up a 2-run HR to Juicambi, and has to use K-rod for 5 outs instead of 3. He only got 2.

F'nMF'nYs.

KC
Jul 30 2005 05:32 PM

Side belch: Mariano really has been sickening great.

Frayed Knot
Jul 30 2005 05:34 PM

That's it, I'm rooting against the fargin' Angels for the rest of the year (starting Monday anyway).


First Giambi hits another 320 ft special in the 8th to make a 4-run lead into 2.
Then they go to K-Rod to protect a 2-run lead ... and he promptly starts the 9th by going BB, BB, K, BB, BB, GW-RBI 1B

Nice work Ace!

metirish
Jul 30 2005 06:12 PM

Some serious stuff here...I hope the kid is OK..

]Teen goes missing at Yankees game


BY LINDSAY FABER
STAFF WRITER

July 30, 2005


A 13-year-old Connecticut boy who went to the bathroom between the seventh and eighth innings at Yankee Stadium Friday night never returned to his family, and a massive police manhunt was underway for his whereabouts Saturday.

Majelique Lewis, of Stamford, ran to the bathroom between 9 p.m. and 9:15 p.m. during Friday's game against the California Angels, police said. When he did not return after several minutes, his family notified the Yankees' paid security guards, who are posted throughout the stadium.


The security company did a search throughout the eighth and ninth innings and came up empty, police said. When the game ended, about 10:05 p.m., the security company notified the NYPD, which had more than 80 officers posted at the stadium.

The police searched every area of the stadium, local streets, restaurants and subway stations for more than 7 hours, until early Saturday morning, police said.

They did not find the boy. Every stadium exit is monitored by security cameras and Lewis' mother did not spot him on hours of recorded images, police said.

The hunt kicked off again Saturday around the Yankee Stadium area, where another game against the Angels was starting at 1:20 p.m. Police were hoping that the boy would still be in the area.

Authorities said it was too soon to develop any theories about the boy, whether he ran away or was abducted from the stadium during the game.

However, the family told police the boy was in good mental shape and did not have a history of making trouble or running away, police said.

The family was at the stadium with police Saturday, posting fliers inside and outside the stadium. They were roving the area with police in the hopes that the boy would see them.

Lewis has no behavioral or mental problems and no history of running away, police said.

"He's an average kid," said Arthur Shannonhouse, who answered the phone at Lewis' home and identified himself as the teenager's father.

Between 10 and 15 children are reported missing at every Yankees game and are almost immediately located, police said.

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

Iubitul
Jul 31 2005 08:35 AM

From [url=http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ats-ap_us11jul31,0,480964.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines]Newsday's website[/url]:


]Boy Who Vanished From Yankee Stadium Found

July 31, 2005, 7:30 AM EDT

NEW YORK -- A 13-year-old boy who disappeared from a men's room in Yankee Stadium was found early Sunday, police said.

Hundreds of police and security guards searched for Majelique Lewis after he vanished during the seventh-inning stretch of the Yankees-Angels game Friday night.

Police spokesman Bernard Gifford said he had no information on how the boy left the stadium in the Bronx and traveled to the neighboring borough of Queens, where he was found in front of a building in good health.

The boy's mother had immediately reported him missing to stadium security, who notified police about an hour later.

A search of the stadium, including parking lots, restricted areas and locked rooms, was fruitless, police said. Officers also searched nearby fast-food restaurants and train stations.

Every stadium exit is monitored by security cameras and Lewis' mother did not spot him on hours of recorded images, police said. He attended the game with his 65-year-old foster mother, brother and two sisters, police said.

Lewis has no behavioral or mental problems and no history of running away, police said.

Between 10 and 15 children are reported missing at every Yankees game and are almost immediately located, police said.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2005 11:31 AM

Good, now I can make a joke.

40-year-old Boy Vanishes from Yankee Stadium

With Alan Embree on board, lefty Buddy Groom became the odd man out in the Yankee bullpen - and he isn't happy about it.

Yesterday, after learning he'd been designated for assignment to make room for Embree, Groom had strong words for the Yankees, especially manager Joe Torre. "I didn't get a fair shake here," the 40-year-old said. "I came here to pitch in key situations and I became a mop-up guy, not getting in any games; you tell me what that looks like to you. You know, you come here, you don't get a chance unless you're one of the boys.

"Don't come here thinking you might get a lot of opportunities, because unless you're one of Joe's boys, you're not going to get much of a shot."

Groom, 1-0 with a 4.91 ERA in 24 games this season, spoke with Torre and GM Brian Cashman before yesterday's game against the Angels, but wasn't satisfied with the reasons they gave for his release. "They just said they got Embree and that's it. It wasn't that I hadn't done the job or whatever. They didn't want to give me a reason other than I didn't get in to pitch. That's not really any reason to me, but it happened, so, I just became the odd man out, I guess."

Cashman said as much outside the Yankee clubhouse, calling Groom "a good man" who "just wasn't getting an opportunity."

Torre agreed, adding that he doesn't play favorites and saying that he was confused by Groom referring to certain pitchers as "Joe's boys."

"I don't know what that means," Torre said. "The only thing I try to do as a manager is do what I think is the thing to do at the time the game is being played. If I started pitching or playing guys because I like them or because I didn't like them, I'd be doing a disservice to the rest of the team. If I've ever done that, I'm not aware of it. I've had people here I've had disagreements with and I've always brought them back. It's always about baseball to me."

The Yankees now have 10 days to trade Groom, who expects to find a new team soon. "There's always a need for lefties," he said. "I can still pitch. My arm feels as great as it ever has. Physically, I'm in as good a shape as I've ever been."

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2005 02:42 PM

If you, or anyone you know, is named 'Molina', then grab a bat and get your ass over to the Bronx. And then maybe you too can hit a HR of Randy Johnson.
He's served up taters to first Benjie, and now Jose Molina.

seawolf17
Jul 31 2005 02:48 PM

Neat little stat from earlier this season... the Sox played the Cardinals after they finished a series with the Angels, and on June 4-5-6, they faced all three Molina brothers (Jose, then Bengie, then Yadier) behind the plate in three consecutive games. I thought that was neat.

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2005 04:20 PM

IN-FUCKIN-COMPETENT!!


It's no longer an issue of IF but merely of WHEN and HOW the Yanqui opponent's incompetence is going to manifest itself.

Angels get themselves a 4-run lead for the 2nd consectutive day and find a way to blow it again! This one involved about 17 walks again, then, just as a GiDP ball is hit directly to Erstad ... it rolls right under his gold fucking glove and betwwen his Cornhusker punting legs!! Everyone gets 2 bases and - a few more walks and hits later - it's a tie game.

And of course all of this followed Vlad getting thrown out stealing 3rd (by about 15 feet) with 2-on/2-out to kill any further rally in their half of the 8th.

Angels now out in the 9th, so the only question remains is how long it'll take the Yanx to score.

metirish
Jul 31 2005 04:44 PM

I fucking hate the Yankees, I just wanted to say that.

Frayed Knot
Jul 31 2005 05:07 PM

Angels actually score off Rivera in the top of the 10th to take an 8-7 lead.

Yanx put 2 on in their half (walks and WPs of course) but Sheffield hits a 2-out harmless bouncer to SS to end the game ... EXCEPT THAT IT TOOK A BAD HOP (and on that perfect Yanqui infield no less) AND IT'S TIED AGAIN

M------R F-----R!!!!

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 31 2005 05:28 PM

they did it again. Tuff to get around that leadoff triple.

KC
Jul 31 2005 05:42 PM

Giambi had some freakin' July.

Rockin' Doc
Jul 31 2005 07:42 PM

Police spokesman Bernard Gifford said he had no information on how the boy left the stadium in the Bronx and traveled to the neighboring borough of Queens, where he was found in front of a building in good health.

Obviously the young man has more discriminating taste than his parents. After being dragged to a Yankee game in the Bronx, the youngster managed to escape and made his way to Queens. Sounds like the young man was attempting to cross over from the dark side.

metirish
Jul 31 2005 07:54 PM

]Giambi had some freakin' July.


Only two other Yankees ever had a July like it, Mantle and Maris hit 13/14 in 1961, I heard that on one of the morning shows.

Elster88
Aug 01 2005 10:53 AM

]Between 10 and 15 children are reported missing at every Yankees game and are almost immediately located, police said.


Geez, really? I blame the parents. Keep an eye on your kids.

Frayed Knot
Aug 02 2005 11:03 PM

Well it seems like 'Captain Clutch' made the last out of the game w/the tying run on base again tonight. I wish I'd been keeping track - there's been a whole bunch of these.



Yanx fans also saw Leiter turn back into a pumpkin after raising their spirits in his first game back in pinstripes.
Walks galore led to him barely lasting longer than Zambrano. The final pitch he threw was a bases-clearing 2B w/no outs in the 3rd which made it 6-1 Cleveland.
The Native Americans held on for the 6-5 win.

metirish
Aug 02 2005 11:08 PM

I saw Al load the bases, I wonder how much longer they will stay with him, his cutter was not on tonight, FK it would be interesting to know how many times DJ has left the tying run on base, you posted that "stat" more than a handful of times that I remember this season.

metirish
Aug 02 2005 11:09 PM

I saw Al load the bases, I wonder how much longer they will stay with him, his cutter was not on tonight, FK it would be interesting to know how many times DJ has left the tying run on base, you posted about him doing that more than a handful of times that I remember this season.

Centerfield
Aug 06 2005 12:13 AM

Frayed Knot,

ESPN didn't give us a statistic for how many times Captain Clutch has made the last out with the tying run on base...however, in response to Sheff's comments, they did show a graphic for how many lead-changing RBI's certain Yankees had.

Sheff was tops on the team with, I believe, 22 or 23. A-Rod was next with around 17, followed by Matsui and handful of others.

At the bottom of the list was Jeter with 6.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 06 2005 08:15 AM

Yeah, but Jeter's 6 came in the "big" games.

seawolf17
Aug 06 2005 08:45 AM

Jeter's ninth-inning ABs with the tying run either himself, on deck, or on base in losing games:

April 22 - With one out and a runner on second, Jeter K's. Bernie Williams follows with a flyout; Yanks lose 5-3.

May 6 - With one out and a runner on first, Jeter flies out to right. Posada pops out, Yanks lose 6-3.

May 31 - With one out, Jeter Ks. Yanks lose 5-3.

June 1 - With two out, Bernie Williams homers and Robinson Cano doubles, putting the tying run on second. Jeter Ks. Yanks lose 3-1.

June 6 - With two out, and tying run Tony Womack at second, Jeter flies out to right. Yanks lose 4-3.

June 7 - With two out and the tying run on third, Jeter grounds out to the pitcher. Yanks lose 2-1.

June 20 - With two out and nobody on, Jeter grounds out to end it. Yanks lose 5-4.

June 21 - Following a two-out Robinson Cano triple, Jeter strikes out to end the game. Yanks lose 5-3.

July 22 - With two out and one on and the tying run on deck, Jeter fouls out. Yanks lose 6-3.

He also ended the August 4 game, but they lost 7-4.

A couple of other times he was up with nobody on, down by two, but I didn't count those times.

Frayed Knot
Aug 06 2005 09:23 AM

Good stuff Seawolf.
It's good that someone here is less lazy than me.


Centerfield wrote:
Frayed Knot,

ESPN ... show[ed] a graphic for how many lead-changing RBI's certain Yankees had:
Sheff was tops on the team with, I believe, 22 or 23. A-Rod was next with around 17, followed by Matsui and handful of others.
At the bottom of the list was Jeter with 6.


Yeah I saw that too.
It also showed how his BA-RiSP this year is considerably lower (.240-ish) than his standard BA.



And, just to make things clear here, I'm not doing all this to pick on poor little much maligned Derek Jeter (although that is a fun fringe benefit). But I am trying to counteract what has become the virtual knee-jerk response among certain fans and talking heads about how DJ 'always comes through in those situations', a claim which can never be disputed due to a rather loose definition of "always" and a forever maleable definition of "clutch". And while I realize that dislodging these notions of clutch or choke once they get into someone's head and then onto a player as a label even as evidence to the contrary unfolds in front of their eyes is likely a losing battle, I'm just annoying enough to keep at it anyway.

seawolf17
Aug 06 2005 09:27 AM

My "research" above is pretty unscientific. I basically ran down the espn.com play-by-play of every Yankees loss. I didn't look at any wins, and I may have missed a loss or two. So it's far from exhaustive.

MFS62
Aug 06 2005 04:13 PM

This really wasn't "in game", but...
After the 2-0 win, I went into the kitchen. My wife (its her birthday, BTW) always keeps that radio tuned to WCBS. The Yankee pre-game show was on. Jon Sterling was giving his "This day in Yankee history" story. Didn't clearly catch the year, but I think he said 1996.

In that game the winning pitcher was Kenny Rodgers (his ninth win of the year) and Darryl Strawberry hit three home runs for the Yanks, becoming only the sixth player to hit three homers in a game in each major league.

Man that hurt.

Later

Frayed Knot
Aug 07 2005 10:38 PM

First things first:
a) I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I don't believe that the umps or league slant things towards the Yanx
b) today's game was one-sided enough where it's doubtful that a play or two would have made a difference in the outcome

BUT

- Sheffield did the same thing that Cameron did the other day: dropped the ball on the transfer after a catch in RF. In fact, his was worse in that it went from glove to ground w/o ever touching his hand. And you probably know where I'm going with this ... it was NOT ruled a drop.
Like I said last week; I've never seen that called before.

- Matsui forgets the # of outs after catching a fly in LF w/1out and the bases loaded. The runner from 3rd tagged and scored (he would have anyway) but while Hidecki is looking for a kid to toss the ball to in the stands, the runner from 2nd takes off for 3rd only to be thrown out (and he looked safe btw) when Matsui wakes up to the situation.
And I'm sitting there thinking: only the Yanx could get a DP not just despite screwing up but because they screwed up.
It brought back bad memories of the times they got extra outs during the post-season - once vs the Mets and once against Oakland - as a result of missing cut-off men.

It's enough to drive one a bit loopy.

End of rant.

metirish
Aug 07 2005 11:32 PM

Pavano might not be back any time soon, instead he is going to see Dr. Andrews, he's 4 and 5 so I don't know why MFY fans were getting all excited about him anyway.

Edgy DC
Aug 08 2005 09:38 AM

The Village Voice, working harder on our metaphors than any paper out there.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 08 2005 10:11 PM

Did you see the crap Gayrod pulled tonight? With one out, Sheffield on first, Gayrod hits a high fly to deep right that Dye catches at the fence. Sheff is already around second, and Arod is all the way past first when Dye fires the ball in. Gayrod turns to see the throw coming toward first, and Sheff will be out, so he turns his back and stands there so the ball hits him on the fly and allows Sheff to return safely.

I suppose its a clever play but Gayrod has to be the world's worst actor. The umps didn't see it, the replay showed what a wussy he is tho.

I hate that guy and the MFYs. They won.

Frayed Knot
Aug 08 2005 10:18 PM

I was just about to write about that ... there's no doubt that he saw the throw coming and allowed it to hit him.
Unfrickinbelievable!


Oh, and by the way, Jeter did the drop-the-pop on the transfer play - and again, much more blatant than Cammy's from last week - and he didn't get flagged for it either.
Jim Kaat was the only one to mention that that's supposed to be a non-catch by the rules, but that "you never see that called anymore".
Well, almost never Kitty.

Edgy DC
Aug 08 2005 10:35 PM

I remember it called once back in the day. Mazzilli in center for the Mets, I think.

Willets Point
Aug 10 2005 07:43 AM



Yankee fan falls from Upper Deck, saved by net.

seawolf17
Aug 10 2005 08:24 AM

They're saying he jumped, which makes him even stupider. I hope they throw his ass in jail for a long, long, long time.

Edgy DC
Aug 10 2005 09:48 AM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 10 2005 10:01 AM

That doesn't happen too often. These guys have a way of getting the harshest punishment. One, because, of all ballpark behaviors worth discouraging, leaping into a net over a crowd like you're an intoxicated member of the Flying Fandangoes is really close to the top. Two, because players' families often sit under that net and the players demand harsh penalties.

KC
Aug 10 2005 09:57 AM

They broke the cardinal sin of broadcasting by giving the assclown way too
much air time.

metirish
Aug 10 2005 09:58 AM

What a nucklehead, still nothing silly like jail time, great picture though.

Edgy DC
Aug 10 2005 11:45 AM

Turns out that he's 18, so I wonder if the cops will investigate if he was served.

And, if there was a law against saying stupid things, it would be off to Rikers for

]"That was the only exciting thing that happened today," Yankees owner George Steinbrenner said after Chicago's 2-1 victory.


Thanks for (1) reingorcing the juvenile notion that reckless endangerment is exciting and justified by boredom, and (2) reinforcing the baseball-ignorant notion that that pitching duels are boring.

silverdsl
Aug 10 2005 12:05 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Thanks for (1) reingorcing the juvenile notion that reckless endangerment is exciting and justified by boredom, and (2) reinforcing the baseball-ignorant notion that that pitching duels are boring.
Agreed. Hard to believe that Steinbrenner thought that asshat was "exciting." Steinbrenner should have ended his comments after he was done ripping Torre. I happen to love pitching duels and think they're way more exciting than a blowout but I guess that's just me.

Back to the asshat, he had to be under the influence of something because no sober person could be that stupid - right?

ScarletKnight41
Aug 10 2005 12:55 PM

silverdsl wrote:

Back to the asshat, he had to be under the influence of something because no sober person could be that stupid - right?



The odds are that he was drunk or high.

Although there are intensely stupid people in this world, so I wouldn't totally rule that out.

Willets Point
Aug 10 2005 01:05 PM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:

Although there are intensely stupid people in this world, so I wouldn't totally rule that out.


Remember, he's a Yankee fan - presumably even when he's sober.

Edgy DC
Aug 10 2005 01:14 PM

Yeah, I'd say that, but it's hard to argue that I haven't seen behavior that asinine at Shea.

Frayed Knot
Aug 10 2005 02:49 PM

Yanx & ChiSox tied at 1 at the end of 6 during what should be a mismatch of Freddie Garcia vs Aaron Small.

The NYY continue to get at least as good if not better pitching out of the Chacon/Small/Leiter trio as they ever did out of Wright/Brown/Pavano.
You keep thinking this is going to blow up on them eventually (Scott Proctor starts tomorrow) but a few more injuries and they might just sail into the playoffs.

Frayed Knot
Aug 10 2005 04:10 PM

Pale Hose took a 1-run lead off Rivera in the 10th on a 1-out Jose Uribe triple and an infield grounder (close play) which followed a failed (fouled off) squeeze play.

Dustin Hermansen comes on to close them out in the bottom: a 1-out Tino walk was stranded. Jeter made the next to last out of the game w/the tying run on (so this one just misses getting added to our 'list') before Cano flied to the fence in CF.

2-1 ChiSox is your final.
Low scoring series.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 10 2005 04:11 PM

Skanks lose in the 10th 2-1.

You must really pitch good and hit like crap to record back-to-back 2-1 wins over the MFYs.

Rotblatt
Aug 10 2005 04:15 PM

I was pissed that they walked Tino. Entering the bottom of the tenth, I was really hoping that Jeter would get to make the last out again. Instead, he made the NEXT to last out by K'ing.

Of course, having the new golden boy Cano end the game with the tying run on is pretty satisfying too . . .

metirish
Aug 10 2005 04:40 PM

Pavano likely out for season and the fan gets arrested..

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyside0811,0,5104054.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spfan0811,0,6567609.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

seawolf17
Aug 10 2005 04:53 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Jeter made the next to last out of the game w/the tying run on (so this one just misses getting added to our 'list')


Nah, that one counts. Any last-inning potential game-changing AB counts, in my mind.

ScarletKnight41
Aug 11 2005 09:18 AM

Letterman's Top Ten about the idiot who jumped -


Top Ten Things Going Through This Guy's Mind At This Moment

10. "Thought the third base coach was giving me the 'jump' sign"

9. "Will I get to watch the end of the game in my jail cell?"

8. "Figured I'd beat the traffic"

7. "If I had a girlfriend, she'd be impressed"

6. "I'm sure Steinbrenner won't mind"

5. "If Marv Albert uses this, I hope he adds a comical 'bong!'"

4. "Giambi said that stuff he gave me would make me fly"

3. "I hope they do some funny jokes about this on Leno!"

2. "I wonder if the newspaper will refer to me as a 'moron' or an 'idiot'"

1. "If a drunken stooge can't disgrace himself at sporting events, then the terrorists have won"

metirish
Aug 11 2005 09:45 AM

]. "If a drunken stooge can't disgrace himself at sporting events, then the terrorists have won"


Love it, great line.

Willets Point
Aug 11 2005 11:08 PM

Yanks win and gain a half-game on the idle Bosox and a game on the Angels in the Wild Card. At least Cleveland is winning to keep the Yanks in the 3d for the Wild Card.

At some point in the coming weeks someone needs to figure out the magic number for what it would take for the Yankees to be eliminated from playoff contention, a date that will forever be known as VY Day. Not that that is going to happen, because unfortuntately the Yankees will go on an unprecedented win streak, claim the AL East by a healthy margain and go 11-0 in the postseason, but it's nice to think about.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 17 2005 10:57 PM

A Red Sox loss in Detroit earlier today gave the Yankees a chance to make up some ground, but an eighth inning rally by the Devil Rays leads to a 7-6 Yankee loss.

The Devil Rays scored were able to rally with the help of the Yankees. Aubrey Huff led off the eighth inning with a routine ground ball to Yankee second baseman, Robinson Cano. Cano threw it away for a 2 base error. A single by Jonny Gomes moved Huff to third. Alex Gonzalez then hit a ground rule double to tie the game at 6. The Devil Rays took the lead for good on a wild pitch by Sturtze that allowed Gomes to score from third base.

Not only did the Yankees lose, they self destructed. Many a Yankee fan has a stomach ache tonight.

Frayed Knot
Aug 17 2005 11:16 PM

What's funny (to me anyway) is the beating that Torre's been taking on talk radio the last 2 nights. Like Willie a week or so back, when the pen fails the mgr is accused from all sides of "misusing" it and would be no matter what his moves.
- When Mariano stumbled it's because Joe's been overusing him
- When someone else does it's because he used "lesser" relievers and not Mariano
- and, as always, fans want the 3 or 4 guys in the back of the pen never to enter a game w/o at least a 16 run lead and less than 4 outs to go. Embree, Proctor, Felix Rodriguez are the whipping boys at the moment and the bloom is def off the Tanyon Sturtze rose as well these days.

My fave comment so far was the caller who stuttering that;
'Torre's been clueless since ... (has to think for a moment as to when the last WS win was) ... '2001!!

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 17 2005 11:21 PM

I gave up on the Rays winning tonight when after Crawford tripled, he was picked off third on a missed safety squeeze. Something stupid like that happens almost every time the MFYs win, but the Rays have their number this year. They're 9-4 against them and 39-69 v. everyone else.

metirish
Aug 17 2005 11:27 PM

That would have been a great play if it worked, like you I tuned out when he was picked off and Pay-Rod gave the fist pump, I was kinda stunned when I saw they won, 9 and 4 against the MFY's is freaking amazing.

Elster88
Aug 18 2005 12:59 PM

Elias (via espn.com)

With Wednesday's defeat at Tampa Bay, the Yankees have lost back-to-back games, despite leading by at least three runs in each -- both to the Devil Rays, a team that currently stands 25 games below .500.

It's the first time in 67 seasons that the Yankees have lost consecutive games to a team at least 25 games below .500 while having a lead of three or more runs in each of them. On Sept. 18, 1938, the Yankees were swept in a doubleheader by the St. Louis Browns in Sportsman's Park. New York led 3-0, but lost 4-3, in the opener and then squandered a 7-4 lead, and lost 8-7, in the nightcap. Those two victories improved the Browns' record to 49-86.

MFS62
Aug 18 2005 01:06 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
- and, as always, fans want the 3 or 4 guys in the back of the pen never to enter a game w/o at least a 16 run lead and less than 4 outs to go. Embree, Proctor, Felix Rodriguez are the whipping boys at the moment and the bloom is def off the Tanyon Sturtze rose as well these days.


Do you blame them? Have you noticed what the Yankee bullpen has been doing lately?

Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

Later

silverdsl
Aug 18 2005 02:01 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
What's funny (to me anyway) is the beating that Torre's been taking on talk radio the last 2 nights. Like Willie a week or so back, when the pen fails the mgr is accused from all sides of "misusing" it and would be no matter what his moves.
I'm not down on Torre as much as a lot of fans, especially since I don't think too many other managers would have more success with the shaky pitching staff that Torre's been stuck with this season. But I think some of the criticism of him is justified. Some moves he makes just leaves me shaking my head.

Fans don't want to see Embree because in his limited amount of time in pinstripes the majority of his appearances haven't gone well. F-Rod and Proctor haven't been too much better either.

Edgy DC
Aug 18 2005 02:23 PM

Which is why it's unrealistic that Torre be expected to keep avoiding the unreliable pitchers. Those deemed satisfatorily reliable is down to a list of one, and, FAN callers, he can't go three innings every day.

George Will goes to Charleston.

Frayed Knot
Aug 18 2005 03:49 PM

]Do you blame them? Have you noticed what the Yankee bullpen has been doing lately?


Do I blame them for thinking that Torre should glue 3 or 4 guys to the pen's bench and never see the light of day? ... Yes I do. They don't have to like Embree et al, but it's unrealistic to expect your manager to use only 6 or 7 of his 11 man staff, especially if you're then going to skewer him when he "overuses" them.
It's not that I don't think Torre is immune to critisism, it's just that I get a kick out of this notion that he suddenly "forgot" how to use the BP simply because (unlike past years) he's now reduced to 1-1/2 reliable relievers at the exact same time when his starters are requiring the pen to cover more innings than ever.

It's sort of like the opposite of the Warren Spahn on Casey line: the one where he claims to have played for Casey both before (Boston Braves) and after ('65 Mets) he was a genius. In this case Torre got real stupid (in the minds of some) once he no longer has the better pitching match-up the way he has some 80+% of the time during his NYY tenure.
And the line that he's been a bad mgr since 2001 (wonder why they come up w/that year?) is just so priceless that it's impossible not to chuckle.

Edgy DC
Aug 18 2005 03:56 PM

Who's Torre's Warren Spahn? I'm thinking Todd Zeile.

Elster88
Aug 22 2005 04:19 PM

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1Boston7151.582--38-1833-3322-2619-918-1012-66-4W1
2New York6755.5494.04.038-2329-3220-2415-1321-1111-77-3L1
3Toronto6360.5128.51334-2529-3526-1912-1617-158-105-5L3
4Baltimore6063.48811.52232-2928-3427-2013-2212-118-105-5L3
5Tampa Bay5173.41121.06033-2918-4422-2812-1814-123-158-2W5


PL.WildcardWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK
1Oakland6855.553--39-2629-2914-2320-1124-1310-83-7L2
2New York6755.5490.50.538-2329-3220-2415-1321-1111-77-3L1
3Cleveland6856.5480.50.532-3136-2513-1323-2717-1315-36-4W4
4Minnesota6658.5322.56.535-2731-3118-1226-2014-168-108-2W1
5Toronto6360.5125.016.534-2529-3526-1912-1617-158-105-5L3

Willets Point
Aug 22 2005 04:27 PM

Let's go Cleveland (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap)!
Let's go Oakland (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap)!
Let's go Twins!

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 22 2005 04:29 PM

I'm not pleased with all the losing that Oakland's been doing. Hopefully they'll turn it around and start another hot streak.

The good news is that the Twins are rapidly entering the wild card picture.

I will be so happy if the Yankees miss the playoffs.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 24 2005 08:50 PM

MFY's getting beaten stupid... NOW!!!

Toronto 5th, Blue Jays 0, Yankee 0

Hillenbrand struck out swinging.

Koskie walked.
Zaun singled to left, Koskie to second.
Johnson singled to right, Koskie to third, Zaun to second.
=green]Hinske hit by pitch, Koskie scored, Zaun to third, Johnson to second.
=green]Hudson walked, Zaun scored, Johnson to third, Hinske to second.
=green]Adams doubled to right, Johnson and Hinske scored, Hudson to third.
=green]Catalanotto singled to right, Hudson scored, Adams to third.
Wells homered to left, Adams and Catalanotto scored.
Felix Rodriguez relieved Mike Mussina.
Hillenbrand doubled to deep right.
=green]Koskie singled to right, Hillenbrand scored.
Zaun flied out to center.
Johnson fouled out to catcher.
9 runs, 7 hits Blue Jays 9, MFYs 0

Rotblatt
Aug 25 2005 01:25 PM

In the battle of the Chac*n's, "o" has taken an early lead as "i" gives up 4 base hits in a row including back to back homers by Sheffield and A-Rod.

I hate it when the MFY's do well.

Elster88
Aug 26 2005 12:50 PM

Checking in across town:

PL.EastWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK
1Boston7253.576--38-1834-3522-2620-1118-1012-64-6L2
2New York7056.5562.52.541-2429-3223-2515-1321-1111-76-4W1
3Toronto6463.5049.015.534-2530-3827-2212-1617-158-103-7L1
4Baltimore6165.48411.52333-3128-3427-2013-2213-138-104-6W1
5Tampa Bay5276.40621.56334-3218-4422-2813-2114-123-156-4L1


PL.WildcardWLPCTGBNGBHOMEROADEASTCENTWESTINTERL10STRK
1New York7056.556--41-2429-3223-2515-1321-1111-76-4W1
2Oakland7056.556--39-2631-3014-2322-1224-1310-83-7W2
3Cleveland7157.555--32-3139-2616-1423-2717-1315-38-2W1
4Minnesota6760.5283.510.536-2931-3118-1227-2214-168-107-3L2
5Toronto6463.5046.522.534-2530-3827-2212-1617-158-103-7L1

Elster88
Aug 26 2005 01:12 PM

Kansas City is in town this weekend.

*sigh*

OlerudOwned
Aug 26 2005 01:21 PM

Elster88 wrote:
Kansas City is in town this weekend.

*sigh*
This'll actually be a big series for the MFYs. They've continuously shot themselves in the foot this season in series against really lousy teams. KC swept them in 3 games at the end of May/start of July. They've lost 9 of 13 against Tampa Bay. If they had actually won some of those games, they may be leading the AL East right now.


EDIT: Crappy english

Willets Point
Aug 26 2005 03:08 PM

Also, KC just took 2 of 3 from the defending World Series Champions, so maybe they're hot right now.

Centerfield
Aug 31 2005 01:11 AM

Chacon gets lit up, Ichiro hits a 3-run HR and the MFY's do their part in accomplishing Triple Happiness.

MFS62
Aug 31 2005 07:45 AM

The person who can answer the old question "How do you put 50 pounds of shit in a five pound bag?" is probably the only person who can answer the question "How many players can be stuffed into the Yankees 40 man roster?"

Later

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 31 2005 08:37 AM

Mussina to miss a start with elbow soreness. Last time he took 1 start off from elbow discomfort he was out 6 weeks.

Elster88
Sep 01 2005 03:29 PM

Maybe can pull the MF off of the MFYs for today:
[url]http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050831&content_id=1192249&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb[/url]

Valadius
Sep 01 2005 08:13 PM

MFYs lost today, 5-1, to the Seattle Mariners. Jaret Wright got hit by a line drive in the collarbone and left the game.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 01 2005 08:52 PM

That play looked nasty ... xrays were negative.

PiazzaFan411
Sep 01 2005 09:01 PM

We can take the MF out of MFY for a bit, I totally despise the Yankees but they did a really good thing in donating to the disastor effort. Nice job by the Yanks.

(Still a Mets Fan)

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 02 2005 10:27 PM

Leiter's getting thumped in the first at Oakland, 3 in so far, 2 HBP, a HR, couple hits.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 02 2005 10:33 PM

Ouch. Al faces 10 batters, gets 2 out*, lets 6 score and is reponsible for Kendall at 2nd base.


*-one of them Jay Payton who swung at an obvious ball 4.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 02 2005 10:37 PM

Let's look at the PBP:

J. Kendall hit by pitch
- J. Kendall stole second
- M. Ellis tripled to deep left, J. Kendall scored
- E. Chavez grounded out to second, M. Ellis scored
- J. Payton flied out to center
- B. Kielty homered to deep left
- S. Hatteberg singled to right center
- N. Swisher hit by pitch, S. Hatteberg to second
- D. Johnson singled to right, S. Hatteberg scored, N. Swisher to second, N. Swisher to third advancing on throw
- M. Scutaro walked, D. Johnson to second
- J. Kendall doubled to left, D. Johnson and N. Swisher scored, M. Scutaro to third
J. de La Paula relieves A. Lieter
Ellis flies out.

Frayed Knot
Sep 02 2005 10:40 PM

Also now sounds like Mussina is going to miss more than just one start.
Tendonitis in his pitching elbow.

Valadius
Sep 03 2005 05:43 PM

Payton, Scutaro and company had better pull this one out.

Currently 2-0, MFYs.

SI Metman
Sep 03 2005 06:28 PM

MFY's payin Oakland back for last night. 7-0 is about to become a final.

Frayed Knot
Sep 06 2005 10:25 PM

Well, at least there's this:

- BoSox beat Anaheim on a 9th inn walk-off from David Ortiz

- And the Yanx blow an early 3-0 lead as Johnson allows the D-Dogs to
tie it. Then Rivera - with help from a Cano error - gives up a run in the
9th. Yanx could have tied it in the bottom but some un-named player
hit into a game-ending GiDP w/the tying run on.
It couldn't have been .... could it?

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 06 2005 11:01 PM

4-10 v. the Devil Dogs this year. How great is that?

Valadius
Sep 06 2005 11:44 PM

The Devil Rays have been GOOD in the second half.

SI Metman
Sep 10 2005 05:14 PM

Manny being Manny and Schilling being Schilling?

Could have been much worse for the Yanks if Alois Leiter didn't come to the rescue and shut down the Sox for 5.2 innings.

Cleveland win later makes it 1.5 games back in the WC, and an Oakland win makes it a tie for second.

Willets Point
Sep 10 2005 10:08 PM

Typical baseball manager quote but great to hear from this source:

]"We're running out of games," New York manager Joe Torre said. "This is our playoffs right now. We need to fight our way into the postseason.

Nymr83
Sep 10 2005 10:56 PM

Olerud homers to get the big inning started :)
i hated seeing that guy in a yankee unoform and am very happy to see him hitting one off them for their hated rival.

Elster88
Sep 16 2005 10:13 PM

bump
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Edgy DC
Sep 18 2005 02:36 PM

Yankees down 4-2 to Toronto as Wright is knocked out by getting hit in the arm by a broken bat.

Let me choose this time to forward my long suppressed endorsement for new bat standards.

Frayed Knot
Sep 18 2005 09:41 PM

Yanx lose 4-3.
Jeter after hitting a long HR in the 8th to pull within 1 run -- and stop me if you've heard this one before -- K'd in the 9th w/the tying run on 2nd.
Damn, I hate it when illusions of invincibility are shattered like that!

Jeter, btw, has adopted the annoying habit of questioning virtually every ball/strike call he doesn't agree with. I don't remember him doing that as much in the past as he is now.

Rotblatt
Sep 19 2005 07:27 AM

It was the eigth time this year he's made the final out with the tying run in scoring position, according to AP Sports.

I wonder what the record is . . .

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 08:11 AM

It's just cool that the counters are taking note and reporting.

Iubitul
Sep 19 2005 10:32 AM

John Harper says [url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/347755p-296782c.html]Testy captain falls short of owning up[/url]

Gotta love it.

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 11:50 AM

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metirish
Sep 25 2005 11:11 PM

The Yankees broke the record for attendance in the AL with well over for million fans this season, tourism is alive and well in NYC....I watched a documentary recently about baseball in NY and even going back to the 20's and 30's Yankee stadium was known as a place tourists would visit.

Edgy DC
Sep 26 2005 07:59 AM

Any reporter who looks at the AL Central and talks about Chicago choking is missing the story.

It's Cleveland's charge that is historic.

metirish
Sep 26 2005 04:23 PM

Ok fess up, which one of youse is the culprit..

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 26 2005 04:24 PM

metirish wrote:
Ok fess up, which one of youse is the culprit..


huh?

metirish
Sep 26 2005 04:25 PM

having trouble posting..

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/349966p-298482c.html

Rotblatt
Sep 26 2005 04:39 PM

Scarlett Johansson? Really?

How sad. Maybe David Wright can woo her away from the Dark Side . . .

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 26 2005 04:40 PM

I was surprised to learn that Jeter was black.

metirish
Sep 26 2005 04:43 PM

The 60 Minutes bit on Jetes was pure bullshit, Ed Bradley is better than that, he never pushed him on Giambi and steroids, then again Jeter probably would not have done the interview if Bradley hit him hard, so it was a puff piece.

MFS62
Sep 26 2005 04:49 PM

Set on fire?
Isn't he already a flaming asshole?
That would be redundant.
Later

EDIT: Tonight's Yankee game againstthe O's is listed as "rescheduled". No new date announced. My guess is they'll play it if they need it.

ScarletKnight41
Sep 26 2005 05:03 PM

MFY or not, that's some sick shit.

I remember hearing about Idina Menzel receiving those threats, right around the time that she was leaving Wicked.. I guess she's on the list because she's green....

HahnSolo
Sep 26 2005 05:16 PM

Actually tonight's game is the "rescheduled" game from an earlier rainout. So the Yanks are on for tonight.

MFS62
Sep 26 2005 05:20 PM

Thanks for clearing that up.

Later

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 27 2005 11:12 PM

Melvin Mora's 3-run HR makes it 17-9 O's and completely justifies the Bordick trade.

MFYs coughing this one up despite 2 HRs and 6 ribbies from Sheff.

Too bad, the Sawx are blowing one too.

metirish
Sep 27 2005 11:22 PM

It was fun watching this game when it was close and torre had to run out scrubs like Rodriguez, Lieter, Franklin and Mendoza, Michael Kay was just beside himself,I mean just try to put a gloss on that shit...

HahnSolo
Sep 28 2005 09:50 AM

Absolutely fantastic to watch Torre pull Sturtze after the Mora HR. There's two outs in the 8th of an 8 run game, and Torre yanks him. That's just embarassing to your player, and I, for one, enjoyed the heck out of it.

MFS62
Sep 28 2005 09:52 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Melvin Mora's 3-run HR makes it 17-9 O's and completely justifies the Bordick trade.


ding ding ding

We have an instant nominee for line of the year.

Later

Zvon
Sep 28 2005 10:14 PM

Yanks back in 1st, for the moment.(Boston currently losing to Toronto, 7-2)

A-rod smacks his 47th homer and breaks the Yankees record for homers in a season by a righty, set by Joltin Joe DiMaggio in 1937

seawolf17
Sep 28 2005 10:21 PM

I don't like the Yanks going into Boston up one game. Gotta get that game back, Beantowners.

OlerudOwned
Sep 28 2005 10:24 PM

seawolf17 wrote:
I don't like the Yanks

Elster88
Sep 29 2005 09:37 AM

I think they should go into the Boston series with the Yankees up two games, and then Boston could sweep the three game series the way they swept the last four last year. Twist the knife as you drive it in.

Willets Point
Sep 29 2005 10:06 AM

I hate baseball.

This season will forever go down in Yankee lore and will forever be shoved down the rest of baseball fan's throats.

Elster88
Sep 29 2005 10:19 AM

You may hate baseball, but I like toast-ejecting avatars.

cooby
Sep 30 2005 10:03 PM

Al Leiter-"Left handed bullpen specialist"

******Pbbbbbtttttt***********

Come in, walk batter, leave game


And we were concerned that Boston got Stanton?

Rotblatt
Sep 30 2005 10:20 PM

Red Sox win and the MFY are now tied for first!

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 30 2005 10:20 PM

BEER FOR ALL.
Red Sox 5
MFYs 3

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 01 2005 01:49 PM

Strap in. Sheff 3r-HR; Manny 2r-HR in the 1st.

Sterling';s call of Manny's HR:

"Deep to left, it is... a foul ball!

Or fair.

A 2-run homer"

MFS62
Oct 01 2005 02:31 PM

Oops, its 6-2 Yanks.
Matsui just homered.
Everybody is getting good swings at Wakefield's knuckleball, which must not be knuckling.

Later

Valadius
Oct 01 2005 02:33 PM

I wonder how old Sal is doing?

MFS62
Oct 01 2005 03:01 PM

A-Rat with a pile-it-on homer. 7-2 in the fifth.
And Wakefield is still in the game.
Taking one for the team to save the bullpen for tomorrow.
Or does Terry think he might find the "feel" for his knuckler?

Later

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2005 03:05 PM

Stanton on.

Frayed Knot
Oct 01 2005 03:23 PM

]Sterling's call of Manny's HR:

"Deep to left, it is... a foul ball!

Or fair.

A 2-run homer"



Most of the time people get on Sterling for his over-the-top style and goofy expressions, but it's stunning how many calls he's getting wrong these days. It's like his eye-sight is going or something. He of course then compounds the problem by going into whatever 'check-this-out' call he's got lined up first rather than actually waiting to see if it's correct.

Rotblatt
Oct 01 2005 03:50 PM

Sox look pretty ugly today. Don't look particularly sharp on defense, once they got down, they started swinging early against RJ and Wakefield couldn't keep the ball down.

Come on, Sox, let's get it going.

MFS62
Oct 01 2005 03:55 PM

Ex-Met Lenny DiNardo pitches a scoreless inning.

Later

mlbaseballtalk
Oct 01 2005 04:01 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
]Sterling's call of Manny's HR:

"Deep to left, it is... a foul ball!

Or fair.

A 2-run homer"



Most of the time people get on Sterling for his over-the-top style and goofy expressions, but it's stunning how many calls he's getting wrong these days. It's like his eye-sight is going or something. He of course then compounds the problem by going into whatever 'check-this-out' call he's got lined up first rather than actually waiting to see if it's correct.


Mike and The Mad Dog were talking about this the other day, where its not that John is getting worse, its that listeners are paying more attention now that the Yankees are in the throes of a "down to the final day" race for the first time since, probably 1995 and for the most part you are watching the Post Season games

So John Sterling's errors are more magnified now then they were in the past

Steve

Frayed Knot
Oct 01 2005 04:13 PM

I'm aware of the increased scrutiny - and the fact that he now has to handle all 9 innings of play-by-play may also be a factor - but I do think he's getting worse too.

His "style" hasn't changed much over the years (even if he is hot-dogging it a bit more these days). His 'Yankees Win, Yankess Win' call has the same cadence as his 'Islander Goal, Islander Goal' chant did back in the '70s when he was calling their games on radio. Maybe it's that he's letting the fame of calling NYY games go to his head and it's causing him to want to make the call "in synch" or "in character" rather than get it right.

Let's put it this way; I listen to Gary & Howie a lot more than Sterling and I doubt I've heard either of them miss as many as 2 in a year. sterling must have missed 15 this summer alone. And yeah I only know of some of them because of M&MD but still ...

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2005 04:24 PM

Rivera on to protect a four-run lead.

Edgy DC
Oct 01 2005 04:28 PM

Game.

It strikes me that none of this would matter for the Yankees if Jeter could hit in the clutch.

Rotblatt
Oct 01 2005 04:33 PM

MFY win the game and the American League East.

Sox are guaranteed at least a one-game playoff against Cleveland. If they win tomorrow, they'll win the wild card.

Torre's crying like a little bitch.

Now that the Yankees have clinched, I want Boston to lose. I'd rather see Cleveland in the playoffs.

This sucks. I hope they go three and out.

mlbaseballtalk
Oct 01 2005 04:39 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
Game.

It strikes me that none of this would matter for the Yankees if Jeter could hit in the clutch.


This pretty much clinches the AL MVP for A-Rat

And this might FINALLY end all that bull crap about him not being clutch, how MFY Fans would want Jeter up instead of ARod, ect

Okay, maybe a great WS would (and a WS championship) but this should put all that to rest and MFY Fans should reconigze that the best SS in the game, maybe the best player, period in the game, is playing 3B for them

Just think of having him and Wright on the same side of the INF...

Well, hopefully as Wright improves we can have some serious "Who would you rather have at third, a young-mid career David Wright, or a mid career-aging ARod" debating

Steve

metirish
Oct 03 2005 01:15 PM

The MFY's are pissed at Showalter for pulling his big bats early in the game yesterday,A-Rod talks about a code of honor, Cashman though keeps it real and blames his own team for not winning more...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/4928338

ScarletKnight41
Oct 03 2005 01:19 PM

]A-Rod talks about a code of honor,


Slappy has the right to talk about a code of honor?

Rotblatt
Oct 03 2005 01:24 PM

]Slappy has the right to talk about a code of honor?


Yeah, and why didn't Torre start Mussina yesterday instead of Wright?

Or are the Yankees exempt from following the code of honor?

Willets Point
Oct 03 2005 02:27 PM

A-Rod's latest deal.

Frayed Knot
Oct 03 2005 04:09 PM

metirish wrote:
The MFY's are pissed at Showalter for pulling his big bats early in the game yesterday,A-Rod talks about a code of honor, Cashman though keeps it real and blames his own team for not winning more...


I mentioned this in the other thread, at least as far as how I heard the NYY radio booth talking about it. Apparently they didn't stop all game and the TV guys were at least as bad. Funny how the Yanx didn't need to play everyone: Mussina pulled for Wright; back-of-the-pen relivers used not Small; Jeter pulled with a boo-boo; but Showalter's somehow responsible for making them fly cross-country.
If it's such a big deal then maybe they shouldn't have been celebrating on Saturday. And here's the good part; if they wind up losing Game 5 to Anaheim (on the road) you just know George is going to go off about how his team wasn't "focused" on Sunday and that Joe and the coaches are responsible for this breakdown, etc. George likes to blame little stuff like that.

Francesa, to his credit, used the opening of his show today to tee off on the whole lot of them.

Centerfield
Oct 03 2005 04:18 PM

Who did Francesa tee off on? The media guys? Or the MFY's for not taking the game seriously?

MFS62
Oct 03 2005 04:28 PM

He teed off directly on Torre.
He said Torre had absolutely no right to complain about Showalter "not trying to win it" when Joe didn't put his best starter out there to try to win it himself.
Mike also pounded the Yank announcers for licking up and running with that party line.

Later

Frayed Knot
Oct 03 2005 04:42 PM

Centerfield wrote:
Who did Francesa tee off on? The media guys? Or the MFY's for not taking the game seriously?


Mostly the booth guys: Sterling & Suzyn on radio and Kaye & Singleton on TV.
He didn't kill the team for the way it played so much as he pointed out that by playing it the way they did makes complaining about the Rangers off limits and therefore dismissed the comments from Torre & A-Rod plus the handful of callers who wanted to jump on Buck.

Elster88
Oct 03 2005 04:59 PM

Sounds like he was basically ripping them for being hypocrites. Good job, Mike. He and Russo rip on the Yanx booth all the time, especially Kay.

Edgy DC
Oct 13 2005 01:05 PM

It's kind of sad to see Mel Stottlemyer go after Steinbrenner in the press. If he is truly burning his bridges, that would be the second Yankee coach in two years --- after Zimmer --- to end his career by mouthing off in defense of Torre, while Torre himself soldiers on.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 13 2005 01:16 PM

Mel wasn't all that ferocious. In his wfan interview, he went out of his way to say he wasn't leaving with a chip on his shoulder, just that he'd decided some time ago it was time to leave.

He did appear hurt that Steinstupid's media statement included congratulations toward Scioscia but did not acknowledge Torre.

The drumbeat for Piniella will be harder, but more distant, than it was when he was considered for a Met job. Nobody in the media has the guts to contend that Torre ought to be fired, only to suggest tghat perhaps his relationship with the MFYs has run its course and that if he could walk away on his own accord from this situation, it'd be a good opportunity to insert Piniella into the job.

Edgy DC
Oct 13 2005 01:20 PM

]"I laughed when I saw it," Stottlemyre said. "My first thoughts were, `What about Joe? Joe had done a hell of a job, too.' To congratulate the other manager and not congratulate your own after what he'd done this year, I laughed."

metirish
Oct 13 2005 01:21 PM

Some guys in the media are speculating thatif Girardi gets the Marlins job, Mattingly will replace him and Ron Guidry will be asked in a pitching coach now that Mel has gone.

soupcan
Oct 13 2005 01:34 PM

A hearty welcome back to the Bronx Zoo I say!

Valadius
Oct 13 2005 02:30 PM

Billy Martin's skull will be the new manager.

silverdsl
Oct 13 2005 08:06 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
It's kind of sad to see Mel Stottlemyer go after Steinbrenner in the press. If he is truly burning his bridges, that would be the second Yankee coach in two years --- after Zimmer --- to end his career by mouthing off in defense of Torre, while Torre himself soldiers on.
I say good for Stottlemyre for speaking his mind. I think he did it in exactly the right way too - he made his points, didn't sugar-coat, yet didn't bash or insult anyone.

Imagine what Torre's going to say when his tenure with the Yankees is over!

metirish
Oct 13 2005 11:07 PM

]Imagine what Torre's going to say when his tenure with the Yankees is over!


Torre should thank Steinbrenner for giving his a great life, Torre went from "Clueless Joe" to making over $6M a year, I'd thank him and be gone.

Frayed Knot
Oct 13 2005 11:35 PM

That's fine and all but Steinbrenner has always acted as if paying guys a lot of money gives him the right to abuse them simply because he can, and he's just as bad with the low level employees if not worse; the classic bully.
That's what so delicious about the whole Torre/Steiny dance; that Torre had so much success so quickly after arriving in da Bronx that he took away - at least partially - the hammer that George usually uses to beat his emplyees over the head. For the most part, the org. has needed Torre more than the other way around which you know pisses George off to no end. And now that that success has led to the kind of money virtually unseen in managerial circles, Torre has him over the barrel even further because he's so damn expensive to fire. Joe is now at an age and has enough money to where he can tell George to fuck off.
I'm personally looking forward to hearing him spout off some day.

metirish
Oct 13 2005 11:41 PM

That's very true and an excellent point FK, wasn't it a few years back Steinbrenner wanted to take away dental benifits for low level employees?, I just see Torre taking the high road when that day comes, Torre has class which is something Steinbrenner will never have.

Valadius
Oct 13 2005 11:59 PM

I remember that. There was a big thing all over the papers.

metirish
Oct 16 2005 10:35 PM

You know you're going bad when your Mom has to make excuses for you...

]A-Rod's mom: Uncle's death was factor
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SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (AP) - Alex Rodriguez played poorly in the Yankees' American League division series loss in part because he was saddened by the death of the uncle who raised him, the slugger's mother said in an interview published in a local newspaper Sunday.


Lourdes Navarro said her son kept the Sept. 30 death of his uncle to himself because he was committed to helping his team win.

"I think he should speak with the team and tell them that his uncle, who was like his father because he raised him since he was 8, died in a hospital in Miami," Navarro told Listin daily newspaper.

Navarro didn't say what caused the death of Augusto Bolivar Navarro, who was her last surviving brother.

Rodriquez, a shortstop, was hitless in Monday's 5-3 loss to the Anaheim Angels that sent the Yankees home for the year, and finished the five-game series with no RBIs and a .133 batting average.

"I know how much he suffered from the death of his uncle without being able to do anything, from listening to me crying and not being able to be there," she said, suggesting some New York fans were being unfair to her son.

"I would like ... for the baseball fans to know that my son is a great human being, that they're seeing a human and not a robot, that he can fail, especially when there are reasons like this," she said.

Navarro said Rodriquez spoke with his uncle for three hours by phone the day before he died.

"We buried him in Santo Domingo...(Rodriguez) didn't come because of the high sense of responsibility that Alex has for his work," she said.

Rodriguez, baseball's only $25 million-a-year player, batted .321 during the regular season, with 48 homers and 130 RBIs.





I heard during the game tonight that Donald Trump hammered A-Dog in a radio interview....people just keep piling on,

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2005 10:50 PM

Yeah, piling on is a good phrase for it.

Look, the guy had a bad week, GET OVER IT yanqui fans.
So did Matsui, who seems to be escaping most of the wrath, and several others as well. This notion that it means ARod's destined to forever come up small in these situations is a bunch of nonsense.
Chris Russo was saying on the air the other day that; "ARod just chokes up in these spots, that's all there is to it". Oh really DOG, then how do you explain the fact that his overall post-season numbers are as good or better than his regular numbers? Do these 5 games suddently negate all that?

Or, as Joe Sheehan in Baseball Prospectus wrote last week;
... Derek Jeter hit a home run Friday with the Yankees down four runs. He hit one [Sunday] with the team down three. The [Sunday] one was pointed to, by the game broadcasters as well as the ones on "SportsCenter," as evidence of his "clutchness."
Not for nothing, but why is it if Alex Rodriguez hits a solo homer with the Yankees down by a bunch, it's evidence that he's a stat-padding loser, but when Jeter does it, it's clutch?
It's just another example of the double standard in place for the two players. Neither covered themsleves in glory in the series -- the statistical difference between the two is those two Jeter home runs, whose value seems to be entirely in who hit them -- yet Jeter comes out as Captain Intangible while Rodriguez, whose back is still a bit sore from carrying the team in the '04 Division Series [vs MInnesota], for which he got no credit, is the choke artist.




Oh and Trump .... STFU!!

mlbaseballtalk
Oct 16 2005 11:21 PM

="Frayed Knot"]Yeah, piling on is a good phrase for it.

Look, the guy had a bad week, GET OVER IT yanqui fans.
So did Matsui, who seems to be escaping most of the wrath, and several others as well. This notion that it means ARod's destined to forever come up small in these situations is a bunch of nonsense.
Chris Russo was saying on the air the other day that; "ARod just chokes up in these spots, that's all there is to it". Oh really DOG, then how do you explain the fact that his overall post-season numbers are as good or better than his regular numbers? Do these 5 games suddently negate all that?

Or, as Joe Sheehan in Baseball Prospectus wrote last week;
... Derek Jeter hit a home run Friday with the Yankees down four runs. He hit one [Sunday] with the team down three. The [Sunday] one was pointed to, by the game broadcasters as well as the ones on "SportsCenter," as evidence of his "clutchness."
Not for nothing, but why is it if Alex Rodriguez hits a solo homer with the Yankees down by a bunch, it's evidence that he's a stat-padding loser, but when Jeter does it, it's clutch?
It's just another example of the double standard in place for the two players. Neither covered themsleves in glory in the series -- the statistical difference between the two is those two Jeter home runs, whose value seems to be entirely in who hit them -- yet Jeter comes out as Captain Intangible while Rodriguez, whose back is still a bit sore from carrying the team in the '04 Division Series [vs MInnesota], for which he got no credit, is the choke artist.




Oh and Trump .... STFU!!


I forget if it was a caller or a host (may have been a caller) but when brought up about ARod's postseason performance as a Mariner the response was "Yeah, but he's in a bigger spot cause now he's a Yankee"

:roll:

Zvon
Oct 16 2005 11:33 PM

Ive come to the conclusion that its gotta be the money that makes Yank fans act so demanding and unfair towards A-Rod.
That and the fact they have been spoiled silly by Stienbrenner.

I guess tomorrow Torre will make his statement.
That should be interesting.

Frayed Knot
Oct 16 2005 11:40 PM

The money's always going to be a big part of it and he has to realize that when he accepts (not only accepts but actively solicits) the biggest paycheck it's going to come with greater scrutiny. I don't mind that he's taking heat here ... but it's gotten to the point where it's now just ridiculous scapegoating by those who think they'll be bigger people by 'taking on the biggest guy' (see Trump, Donald).
Of course much of the rest is coming from MFY fans who want their bread buttered on both sides by thinking they can knock him and still be loyal to their team - on account of him not being a real Yanqui and all.

And, as well-meaning as his mother is trying to be here with the story about the uncle, that's not going to help one bit.

metirish
Oct 16 2005 11:58 PM

This is one guy I will never feel bad for,yeah it's the fact that he's a Yankee, that just makes it all the better for me, but it's more than that,everytime Rodriguez says something it sounds like a prepared statement and he comes accross as a phony person, like the bullshit about how he has grown so much as a person since coming to NY, and that he thanks the pinstripes for that....what bullshit that is.

sharpie
Oct 17 2005 05:16 PM

My favorite uncle died last week (he really did). I'm pretty sure I did my job last week as well as I do it any other week (except when I'm spending time around this place).

Edgy DC
Oct 17 2005 06:14 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 17 2005 06:35 PM

I'll play JB for a moment here.

In a moment of anger or anxiety, rational cortical processing can become immediately and almost hopelessly over-ridden by the morre primitive impluses orchestrated by the limbic system.

The people who are acting against the evolution of the species are the ones who invariably surrender to that, who allow these ancient impluses to usurp those of our later-evolving prefrontal cortex.

These are, for instance, the sports fans, forsaking their reason, who conclude that "you failed me, therefore you are morally reprehensible and must be banished from the group, no matter if your skills are still useful, plentiful, or even unique among the group."

Sadly, it is likely that no teams have a shortage of fans behaving as such.

Sportswirters (or radio hosts) who express such an irrational perspective in print (or on the air), are an especially pernicious group, because they take the time and deliberation to sit down, imagine, reflect, create, compose, and arrange their article, but still yield to the old limbic impulses. It must take work to be rational enough to be perform in a highly-competitive presitigious creative position, but forsake rationality in the actual performance.

You may desperately try and answer such figures with reason (as I did with Jon Heyjman), but they perhaps should merely be shunned. Shunning them lowers their readership/ratings, providing negative reinforcement to somebody who clearly evidences a basic susceptibleness to the most primitive of motivations.

KC
Oct 17 2005 06:33 PM

>>>ancient impluses to usurp our later-evolving prefrontal cortex<<<

I have to memorize that and whip it out on one of my Yankee fan friends
at a later date and just the right moment.

Edgy DC
Oct 17 2005 06:50 PM

Whipping it out is probably also a behavior characteristic of subcortical processing.

KC
Oct 17 2005 06:53 PM

Remember that noise that Archie Bunker used to make with his tounge
stuck out a pressed between his lips?

Edgy DC
Oct 17 2005 07:09 PM

Sure, it's also called a Bronx cheer, probably an old reference to Yankee fans. Archie was a Met man, of course.

No, your whip out would be excellent. I was referring to the more vulgar usage.

Keep in mind that I was editing an article on brain science, and briefly understood it. But I can only be smart for a few minutes at a time.

seawolf17
Oct 17 2005 09:30 PM

Yankees receive permission to speak with Mazzone

NEW YORK -- The New York Yankees began pressing ahead with their offseason transformation, asking and receiving permission from the Atlanta Braves to speak with pitching coach Leo Mazzone.

General manager Brian Cashman still has not determined whether he will sign a new deal or leave when his current contract expires at the end of the month. And manager Joe Torre hasn't spoken publicly since New York was eliminated from the playoffs by the Anaheim Angels.

Contacted Monday, Cashman declined comment on his status, saying nothing has been decided.

But the Yankees do know they will need a new pitching coach. Mel Stottlemyre, who has held the job since Torre took over after the 1995 season, said last week he did not plan to return and leveled criticism at the Tampa wing of New York's split front office.

The request to speak with Mazzone, first reported by MLB.com, was confirmed by a baseball official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the team did not intend for the matter to become public.

Braves spokesman Brad Hainje said the team does not comment on personnel issues. A message left at Mazzone's home in Atlanta was not immediately returned.

Mazzone rebuffed interest from the New York Mets after the 2002 season, signing a new deal with the Braves that included a significant pay increase.

"Forget it," Mazzone said at the time. "I'm an Atlanta Brave. I'm very pleased with what I got here. They were very fair. I'm pleased with everything."

Mazzone, who turned 57 Sunday, has been with the Braves organization since 1979. He had a brief stint as Atlanta's co-pitching coach in 1985, then returned as the sole pitching coach in June 1990 after Bobby Cox was hired as manager.

The Braves have perennially been among the NL leaders in ERA, but they dropped off to sixth this season (3.98). The team was plagued by injuries to the starting rotation and a dismal bullpen that went through three closers.

"More of it's the mental approach, because the mental approach dictates your mechanics," Mazzone said last month, talking about his approach to pitching. "If you're in a prevent defense, those mechanics may falter. If you're in attack mode, you're looking right.

"If pitchers resort to super control or super power, they get themselves messed up mechanically. That's how Jaret Wright was able to smooth himself out when he was with us."

TheOldMole
Oct 17 2005 10:26 PM

The Braves would let Leo go?

metirish
Oct 17 2005 10:40 PM

I think out of respect to Mazzone they would grant permission for him to talk to an interested team, maybe he'll squeeze another pay raise from the Braves.

holychicken
Oct 18 2005 08:43 AM

He BETTER not go to the yanks. The last thing the yankees need is a pitching coach who can actually coach.

seawolf17
Oct 18 2005 09:14 AM

I posted the article, but forgot to add my thoughts. Yanks or not, I would love to see Mazzone leave Atlanta. Say what you will about the Braves' run, but the one constant has been Cox & Mazzone. Breaking that up can not help them next year. It just can't. So I'd hope George throws a bucketful of cash at Leo.

sharpie
Oct 18 2005 09:27 AM

I'm with Seawolf. I'd hate to see him go to the MFYs but that would be better than him staying in Atlanta. That's the team we have to focus on immediately.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 18 2005 09:52 AM

Mazzone has been great but his coming to the Bronx won't make Johnson & Mussina any younger, and may not have the juice to change either of their routines at this point.

I suppose if you're Jaret Wright you'd be excited, and I suppose there's more to get out of Pavano and Wang. Meantime it could make the MFYs hungrier for Burnett.

sharpie
Oct 18 2005 09:57 AM

I already hate Mazzone. It won't be hard to transfer my hate to him in another uniform.

Frayed Knot
Oct 18 2005 10:09 AM

TheOldMole wrote:
The Braves would let Leo go?


If he's on just a year-to-year contract like many coaches are then it's just a matter of time before he could go talk to them anyway w/o Brave permission. If he's on a multi-year then they certainly don't have to grant him the opportunity especially since it's only a lateral move. Such permission is usually automatic if a step up is involved.



If I were Leo, I'd be real sure to ask a boat load of questions about how much and how often that fat Conners guy down in Tampa is going to be hanging over his (figurative) shoulder and whispering things to George behind his back.
I'll bet Leo had a decent amount of say, or at least a highly respected opinion, about the timing and personnel decisions of pitchers being called up or sent down. In the Bronx not only won't he have that type of power but there'll be moves made without his knowledge and at times specifically against his suggestions.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 18 2005 11:49 AM

I think the Braves have Mazzone signed through 2006.

MFS62
Oct 18 2005 12:25 PM

I can just hear it now.
Jon Sterling saying "That Yankee ROCKS!"

Later

Frayed Knot
Oct 18 2005 01:08 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I think the Braves have Mazzone signed through 2006.


Actually, I just read today that they don't. That he's on a year to year deal and will be free to go out on his own anyway.
That said, I think he's comfortable where he is and supposedly is going to give other suitors "a small window" to try and lure him away.

metirish
Oct 18 2005 03:00 PM

Breaking News..Breaking News...Yaaaaaaaaaaaawn

]Torre: I'm staying


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

October 18, 2005, 2:42 PM EDT

Joe Torre considered resigning last week, then decided to return to the New York Yankees next season because "I still want to manage here."

Torre, who has two years left on his contract, had not spoken until Tuesday about his future since the Yankees lost in the first round of the playoffs to the Los Angeles Angels.

After that defeat, he thought about leaving.

"It was a waffle. It was going back and forth," he said at Yankee Stadium.

Torre, who has led New York to four World Series titles, met Monday in Tampa, Fla., with Yankees owner George Steinbrenner.


so much for the anticipation of Torre talking...

silverdsl
Oct 18 2005 03:48 PM

Yawn indeed. Exactly as I knew it would be. Some expected Torre to rip Steinbrenner a new one and quit but I didn't think he'd walk away from $13 million.

metirish
Oct 18 2005 03:50 PM

Exactly silverdsl, can you believe the media guys were staking out the yankee stadium for Torre....for the last freaking week...

MFS62
Oct 18 2005 04:36 PM

Like vultures circling over an injured animal, waiting to pounce.

Later

sharpie
Oct 18 2005 04:40 PM

It is only because of the stakeout, however, that we learned that Chieng Ming Wang drove to the stadium, parked his car and then took a subway somewhere else so he could get the free parking that you get in the players lot.

Willets Point
Oct 18 2005 04:45 PM

Oooh....free parking in the Bronx. I'm so jealous of these professional ballplayers.

metirish
Nov 04 2005 12:49 PM

MFY's look to Japan for a pitcher...again...and get this he throws a "gyroball".WTF?

[url=http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks044497798nov04,0,2438794.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines]Mr Gyroball man[/url]

Centerfield
Nov 04 2005 12:54 PM

It's been popular in Japan ever since they outlawed the "Souvlakiball".

On Edit: Looks like he was basically a .500 pitcher. I'm ok with the MFY's overspending on a .500 pitcher from Japan who supposedly has great stuff. The last time that happened, it brought lots of laughs.

MFS62
Nov 04 2005 12:57 PM

John Heyman strikes again. His article says "The Yankees don't have an obvious need for starting pitching".
I wonder what games he was watching. Maybe he just means they have a lot of them on their roster.

Later

metirish
Nov 15 2005 10:34 PM

MFY's and Matsui reach a peliminary contract for 4 years $52M.

sharpie
Nov 15 2005 10:37 PM

At least a bunch of it goes toward the luxury tax.

Centerfield
Nov 16 2005 10:59 AM

I think this was a good move for the MFY's, but $13 million per seems a bit high for Matsui.

Valadius
Nov 16 2005 11:49 AM

He's no spring chicken, that's for sure.

silverdsl
Nov 16 2005 02:07 PM

Matsui has been pretty solid for the Yankees so I'm not upset that they're throwing a lot of money at him. But added into what he's done on the field is that he brings in a lot of attention and revenue from Japan - there's advertising $$, extra media coverage and fan support. So those things might have played into why the Yankees were eager to re-sign him.

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2005 02:25 PM

I was hoping he'd stick them for a 5th year.

Hard to say how much money the Japan angle brings in as International broadcast fees are split amongst all teams.
It def helps to "spread the brand name".

metirish
Nov 16 2005 02:30 PM

He'll have pulled down nearly $75 million over his yankee career, he's done well for himself, he's a solid if not a spectacular player, some "experts" swear he's a very clutch hitter.

MFS62
Nov 16 2005 03:45 PM

Frayed Knot wrote:
I was hoping he'd stick them for a 5th year.

Hard to say how much money the Japan angle brings in as International broadcast fees are split amongst all teams.
It def helps to "spread the brand name".


Thought I read a year or two ago that the Yanks have their own YES/ Japan cable tv and marketing deal. The lynchpin of the deal was the Yanks having a Japanese player who is very marketable to Japanese viewers.
The Yanks weren't going to let him go, they'd lose too much anciliary revenue. He had them by the (rice) balls.

Later

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2005 04:14 PM

There are many NYY games shown in Japan due to Matsui (and Mariner games cuz of Ichiro) but the money that's generated by TV in foreign lands is "community" money - i.e. money to be split by all clubs lke network cash.
Whatever the Yanx are getting from Japan via Godzilla would be "secondary" money which is gained from increased awareness in the 'Yankee brand', attendance in the Bronx from visiting Japanese tourists, and so on. Even merchandising money - apparel, etc - is pool money so the direct impact of Matsui is tough to quantify.

silverdsl
Nov 16 2005 04:36 PM

I think there's also a number of Japanese companies that advertise in Yankee Stadium that might not otherwise without Matsui being on the team, though I have no idea where that money actually goes.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2005 04:43 PM

Wait, if I get drunk and buy a jersey with a Yankee trademark, Kansas City makes as much as the Yankees?

Frayed Knot
Nov 16 2005 04:51 PM

That's my understanding, yes.
Merchandising money goes into a central pool - it's all [u:351688c6f0]MLB[/u:351688c6f0] licensed products after all and MLB is the one who owns those logos and copyrights - and is distributed evenly.

Increase in-house stadium advertising is something that would feed directly to the team.
TV ads over local TV would feed to the local station/distributor which would help the team indirectly (via higher rights fees) although, in the case of NYY/YES, it's all the same pie anyway.

Edgy DC
Nov 16 2005 06:59 PM

MLB doing the licensing doesn't alone necessarily mean MLB distributes the moneys evenly.

I think the logos are still trademarked to the teams.

Frayed Knot
Nov 17 2005 10:23 AM

]MLB doing the licensing doesn't alone necessarily mean MLB distributes the moneys evenly


No, but I've heard/read on several occasions that this is the case.
I'm merely using the owned-by-MLB angle as the explanation for why things are split evenly, not the proof.



Yanx picked up the '06 option on Tanyon Sturtze.
He was real good for them for a while as a long/set-up man ... then not so good by the end of the season.

metirish
Nov 17 2005 10:57 AM

Captain clutch scores again...

Valadius
Nov 17 2005 03:38 PM

Hahaha!!!

Willets Point
Nov 17 2005 03:55 PM

Is that A-Rod in a wig and bikini?

MFS62
Nov 17 2005 03:56 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
MLB doing the licensing doesn't alone necessarily mean MLB distributes the moneys evenly.

I think the logos are still trademarked to the teams.

Yes, both the MLB brand royalty money and national tv/radio money are split evenly, according to a spreadsheet that Selig presented to Congress in the Spring of 2004. I've mentioned it before in the thread about salary caps/ floors.

Later

Centerfield
Nov 17 2005 04:07 PM

What is the story associated with that Post cover?

metirish
Nov 17 2005 04:09 PM

Jetes was in Maui with his girlfriend Melissa Milino(MTV VJ)

Edgy DC
Nov 17 2005 05:10 PM

Yes, I know this. The Yankees and all other clubs continue own their trademarks though, while MLB retains most, but not all, licensing on those trademarks.

What the teams retain is still ambiguous to me, and much of it still in the courts, as the Yankees and other teams with successful trademarks still fight against the 1984 and 1995 agreements, claiming they were coerced. Initial agreements only covered the US and Canada, for instance.

Philosophically, it has always seemed to me that the poorer sisters deserve a cut of their opponents' broadcast revenues, but not a cut of their trademark licensing revenues, not the other way around as is the situation today.