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Edgy DC
Jul 10 2005 08:21 PM

I was playing a simulated game, and a strange scoring decision got made by a virtual scorer.

I'm managing a team winning 5-1 in the bottom of the fifth. In the fifth inning, an opposing baserunner crosses over to third with two outs, but my pitcher, Virtual David Wells, gets hurt. I'm forced to pull him one out short of being the pitcher of record. I feel virtually sorry.

I bring in the guy in the back end of my bullpen, Virtual Joe Roa, and he gets the last out on a grounder. My team extends their lead to 6-1 in the next inning, and Roa finishes the bottom half of the innng with a single baserunner allowed.

I try to ride Roa into a third inning, the seventh, still up 6-1. But he lets two of the first three guys on with a hit and a walk. The opposition is in the middle of their lineup now, though, and Roa simply cannot handle lefties. I virtually go out, pat his virtual ass, and turn the ball over to Virtual Frank Brooks, my lefthanded specialist. Brooks doesn't quench the rally right away, though. He walks the first guy to load the bases and gives up a two-run single before the inning ends with my guys still up 6-3. Too bad for Roa, who gets both the runs credited to him on a group effort. Such is baseball, right?

So my guys get both those runs back in the top of the eighth. I'm healthily in front 8-3. Feeling comfortable, and pulling away in my virtual division, I turn the mopup job over to September callup Virtual Pedro Liriano. Virtual Pedro gives me two innings without allowing a baserunner.

So who gets the win? Wells gets burned because he's a starter who didn't go five, but my virtual scorekeeper somehow over-interpreted the "ineffective reliever" clause, and also passed over Roa, who finished off the fifth with a runner on third and pitched through the sixth into the seventh before allowing two baserunners. He passed over Brooks, who allowed both those runners to score, but no runs charged to him, and gave the win to Liriano, who entered an 8-3 ballgame and finished up.

Would this ever happen?


10/5/2005, NYN04-Mon04, Olympic/Hiram Bithorn hybrid

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E LOB DP
2004 Mitts 0 0 4 1 1 0 0 2 0 8 11 0 9 1
2004 Axe Pose 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 3 8 1 7 1

Mitts AB R H BI AVG Axe Pose AB R H BI AVG
Matthews cf 4 1 2 0 .292 Damon cf 3 1 1 1 .311
Rollins ss 4 1 2 3 .263 Zaun ph 0 0 0 0 .259
Helton 1b 3 1 1 2 .290 Gipson cf 1 0 0 0 .308
Hidalgo rf 4 1 1 2 .261 Hairston 2b 4 0 1 2 .310
Lamb 2b 3 1 0 0 .298 Gonzalez,L lf 3 0 1 0 .242
Brooks p 0 0 0 0 .000 Wilson,T ph 1 0 0 0 .000
Liriano p 1 0 0 0 .000 Meadows p 0 0 0 0 .000
Valentin c 1 0 0 0 .305 Harville p 0 0 0 0 .667
McKay ph 2 0 0 0 .000 Fikac p 0 0 0 0 1.000
Batista 3b 5 1 3 1 .251 Millar 1b 4 0 1 0 .248
Anderson lf 3 1 2 0 .250 Gonzalez ss 4 0 1 0 .231
Roa p 0 0 0 0 .000 Quintero c 4 0 1 0 .313
Graffanino 2b 1 1 0 0 .211 Hinske 3b 1 0 0 0 .230
Wells p 2 0 0 0 .095 Kershner p 0 0 0 0 .000
Kielty lf 1 0 0 0 .253 Sweeney ph 2 1 1 0 .259
McEwing ph 1 0 0 0 .255 Spencer rf 4 0 1 0 .303
35 8 11 8 Lowe p 1 0 0 0 .019
McDonald 3b 2 1 0 0 .185
34 3 8 3

Mitts INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Wells 4.2 5 1 1 1 1 55 38 3.81
Roa 1.2 2 2 2 1 0 26 15 8.90
Brooks 0.2 1 0 0 1 0 15 6 2.66
Liriano W 1-0 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 14 12 3.00
9.0 8 3 3 3 2 110 71

Axe Pose INN H R ER BB K PCH STR ERA
Lowe L 6-13 4.2 8 6 6 4 5 98 59 5.58
Kershner 2.1 0 0 0 1 2 34 21 11.57
Meadows 0.1 1 2 2 2 0 19 9 3.28
Harville 1.1 2 0 0 1 1 19 9 3.54
Fikac 0.1 0 0 0 0 0 5 3 9.00
9.0 11 8 8 8 8 175 101

NYN: Kielty inserted at lf in the 5th
McKay batted for Valentin in the 7th
McKay moved to c in the 7th
Graffanino inserted at 2b in the 7th
McEwing batted for Kielty in the 8th
McEwing moved to lf in the 8th
Mon: McDonald inserted at 3b in the 5th
Sweeney batted for Kershner in the 7th
Zaun batted for Damon in the 7th
Wilson,T batted for Gonzalez,L in the 7th
Gipson inserted at cf in the 8th
Sweeney moved to lf in the 8th

E-Gonzalez,L. 2B-Rollins 2, Helton. HR-Hidalgo(19), Damon(21).
SB-Matthews(33), Batista(12). K-Matthews 2, Helton, Hidalgo 2, Batista,
Wells, Liriano, Spencer, Sweeney. BB-Matthews, Rollins, Helton 2, Hidalgo,
Lamb, Valentin, Graffanino, Hinske, McDonald, Zaun. SH-Valentin.
GWRBI: Helton
David Wells was injured for this game only
Temperature: 70, Wind: none.

Johnny Dickshot
Jul 10 2005 09:28 PM

no.

Frayed Knot
Jul 10 2005 09:41 PM

It's the Official Scorer's decision there but it sounds like he screwed up to me. The way I've heard that rule is that a scorer can 'take away' the win from the guy who seems to have earned it when said guy pitches "both briefly and ineffectively". Roa, in this case, rode out an inning & 1/3 negating the "briefly" part (and pretty much the "ineffectively" part too).
I'd give him the 'W'.

metirish
Jul 10 2005 09:58 PM

Sounds like a question for a virtaul Bobby Valentine, he'd know the answer, Edgy where do you play such a game, I've never heard of anything like it, any link?

Edgy DC
Jul 10 2005 10:07 PM

http://www.diamond-mind.com/

Most of the features are better than the virtual official scorer's boner would have you think.

The dopey team names are my own for the league I entered my team in.

TheOldMole
Jul 10 2005 10:10 PM

I play Diamond Mind too, but not Virtual Draft Leagues. Right now I'm replaying the 1948 season.

metirish
Jul 10 2005 10:17 PM

It looks fasinating, I'll give it a better look tomorrow, thanks for the link.

Edgy DC
Jul 10 2005 10:18 PM

I just released everybody in the 2004 season and had the league re-draft everybody. I grabbed the Mets and whoever the computer drafted for them.

SI Metman
Jul 10 2005 11:06 PM

Your virtual team has a virtual problem if Richard Hidalgo is your virtual cleanup hitter.

Edgy DC
Jul 10 2005 11:56 PM

Best record in the league, sucka.