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IGT 06/26, NYM's at MFY's

KC
Jun 26 2005 07:06 PM

NYM's
Jose Reyes SS
Mike Cameron RF
Carlos Beltran CF
Mike Piazza DH
Cliff Floyd LF
David Wright 3B
Chris Woodward 1B
Ramon Castro C
Marlon Anderson 2B

Kris Benson RHP


MFY's
Derek Jeter SS
Tony Womack CF
Gary Sheffield RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Hideki Matsui DH
Jason Giambi 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
John Flaherty C
Kevin Reese LF

Randy Johnson LHP

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 07:14 PM

Kevin Reese: 27-y.o. from Columbus, hitting 280 there and not bad #'s for a lengthy minor league career. Henn was shitcanned to Columbus to make room, and Jaret Wright was transferred to the 60-day DL to make room.

Too bad for Minky on our part. It's going to be hard to make a real big run without him (tho it was also with him) but you know. It looked like he was just regaining his swing.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 07:22 PM

]Henn was shitcanned to Columbus to make room


Before or after the 8th inning of yesterday's game?

seawolf17
Jun 26 2005 07:24 PM

"Hey, kid. Welcome to the major leagues. Your debut? Tonight. Against the Mets. On Sunday Night Baseball on ESPN."

If this Reese kid gets hit by a bus tomorrow and never appears in a major league game again, he probably still has a pretty good story to tell his grandkids.

metirish
Jun 26 2005 07:49 PM

This game is being hyped all day on the "FAN as a must win for the MFY, Rosenberg expects Steinbrenner to fire someone tomorrow if they lose, Roy White being the one to get canned, and his recent tirades at 1st base against the Mets is being seen as a desperate man knowing he is in the mix to get fired so he's showing his warrior mentality...so said Klapisch......

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 08:17 PM

Pretty creepy of Klapisch to say.

]Before or after the 8th inning of yesterday's game?


Can I read Stottlemyre's lips or what?

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 08:19 PM

The ESPN crew doesn't think that Benson can go deep in the game without striking out Yankees.

I'm not sure why that's the case. But Morgan was convinced of the truth of his theory.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 08:25 PM

Morgan sucks the Yankees' d--ks as much as the YES crew.

But, despite the blow jobs and lack of strikeouts, the game is scoreless after one complete inning.

seawolf17
Jun 26 2005 08:29 PM

And now Floyd fouls a ball off his knee. OUCH.

The Big O
Jun 26 2005 08:36 PM
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ScarletKnight41 wrote:
The ESPN crew doesn't think that Benson can go deep in the game without striking out Yankees.

I'm not sure why that's the case. But Morgan was convinced of the truth of his theory.


And right after Joe pronounced that, he induced a 6-3 groundout. And Joe, without a hint of cognitive dissonance, said "That's what he has to do to be successful -- induce groundouts."

I hate Joe Morgan, "broadcaster."

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 08:38 PM

Welcome aboard O.

Are you new here, or recently renamed?

The Big O
Jun 26 2005 08:52 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 26 2005 09:23 PM

]Welcome aboard O.

Are you new here, or recently renamed?


New board, figured it was time for a change. Don't recognize your moniker either.

Why aren't quotes working?

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 08:54 PM

I was Inside Pitcher on the old board.

Unclick Disable BBCode beneath the post and the quotes should work.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 08:55 PM

Benson walks the rookie. The ESPN crew is eating it up.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 08:57 PM
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I'm not sure, but make sure "BBCode" is enabled in your profile.

I'm not sure I remembered a poster who was particularly fond of Orel at the ol' board, but welcome.

Too bad Cammie couldn't get that runner home from third with one out. On the other hand, a ten-pitch for him against Johnson has to be something of a small moral victory.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 09:00 PM

Benson's given up two baserunners (one hit and one walk) through three. But he's struck out none, so, despite being only 32 pitches into his evening, he won't go deep.

Is that the thinking?

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 09:00 PM

Yup

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 09:20 PM

Benson isn't K'ing many this year is what Joe was saying.

Anyway, that was a Big K of Juiceambi, so I'm happy. Lotta harmless popups otherwise.

The Big O
Jun 26 2005 09:25 PM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Benson isn't K'ing many this year is what Joe was saying.

Anyway, that was a Big K of Juiceambi, so I'm happy. Lotta harmless popups otherwise.


Benson'd only walked 14 coming in (1 this game I think) with a 1.16 WHIP -- tasty.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 09:34 PM

Awfulman is in the building and wearing No. 35.

5 scoreless for Anna's Banana.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 09:35 PM

Well, two strikeouts that inning.

Thank Joe Torre for being so spooked by Bernie Williams' dropsies that he ended up putting Womack in center and batting him second.

Now let's get a few more runs so Kris Benson can get the van rocking in the Bronx tonight.

SI Metman
Jun 26 2005 09:37 PM

Man, it's gotten so bad that I muted the tv and put on the radio, despite the lag.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 09:40 PM

Kablammy just hit the Todd Zeile spot on the wall, didn't he?

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 09:46 PM

If you believe Gameday, both Carlos Beltran and Mike Piazza were chasing pitches off the plate there.

To which I say, "Relax, a walk is fine. Cliffy will pick you up."

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 09:49 PM

Don't like the way the bottom of the 6th is starting.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 09:53 PM

Nice catch by Cliffy for the catch.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 09:59 PM

As Benson walks the bases full, Mini Knight said, and I quote, "Fudge!"

Damn - tie game on Cano's ground out.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:00 PM

Very nice play by Anderson to get an out and prevent more than one run from scoring.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:03 PM

Very nice catch by Beltran in the gap to end the inning. If we had their CF that would have been an easy triple.

That inning could have been a lot worse. A couple of runs here would be very nice. 1-1.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:03 PM

I have no idea why I keep writing "very nice."

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:03 PM

Ok, let's get it back, give Benson the W he deserves.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 10:09 PM

Joe Morgan just said, "If I'm the Mets, I try to make sure the Yankees don't score anymore."

Well, DUH!

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:11 PM
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David Wright and his nu haircut, hurting the Mets today.

Johnson's at 100 pitches.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:11 PM

Dagnabbit. Gotta treasure those baserunners, WWSB.

Think that was a blown H&R

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:13 PM

Good thing they tried that hit and run. Wright certainly wouldn't have been able to score on a double to the gap. Ugh.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:14 PM

Woodie's double to the deepest part makes that CS hurt even more.

Pick

him

up.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:18 PM

Part of me wants to PH with Diaz here.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:19 PM

That part of me was WRONG!

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:19 PM

Great Yankee defense this inning allows the Mets to score a run.

Spacemans Bong
Jun 26 2005 10:20 PM

SWEEP TEH YANKS

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:20 PM



See ya later, Unit.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:20 PM

Cammie for Cano? Hah!

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:21 PM

I'm a bit surprised they're taking out Johnson here. Only the WP was his fault this inning. If Womack could play CF or Cano could field a grounder, they'd easily be out of the inning.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:24 PM

2-runs score on a Reyes ground ball to first with two outs. Awesome.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 26 2005 10:25 PM

Oh......My.......G-D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:25 PM

I love the Yankees.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:26 PM
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I'm very disappointed that the Foxwoods jingle guy is a Yankee fan.

cooby
Jun 26 2005 10:27 PM



WOOOOOO!!!

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:32 PM

Sorta surprised they left Anna in there, and disappointed with the leadoff walk anyway.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:36 PM

Bad cowboy.

The Brooklyn Bum
Jun 26 2005 10:37 PM

Well shitfuck.

Aaron balks burn baby bern over to second and Mr. Mariah Carey drives him him.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:46 PM

Do the MFYs have any outfielders left?

cooby
Jun 26 2005 10:46 PM

I think Sheffield's wallet may be easier to pick up in about a week

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:47 PM

Then the umps give the Mets one back, calling Sheffield out on a close play at 1st and then tossing him after Sheff shows a little rage.

Ugh, A-Rod drives in another. 4-3. Ring's coming in.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:47 PM

I was kinda looking for Heilman to cowboy up a little bit more than that.

cooby
Jun 26 2005 10:48 PM

If I were a Mets starter, I would get down on my knees and beg not to be taken out of a game....

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:48 PM

I guess Bernie's going to stay in and play left or center while they move the rookie over to right. Or they could put Matsui in the field, but then they lose the DH.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:49 PM

With Sheffield thrown out, who will go to RF?!?

Williams PH for the kid -- he goes to CF
Sierra PH for Womack -- he goes to RF
Matsui is DH -- he will have to to LF, and the Yankks lose the DH. Yes?

Unless Russ Johnson can play, or I'm forgetting someone.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:51 PM
Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jun 26 2005 10:53 PM

Matsui actually does notably better against lefties.

.337 .377 .568 vs .280 .357 .435 against righties.

On edit: Not today.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:52 PM

Oh, I forgot Sierra had PH for Womack and that Williams was PH for the rookie. So I guess that forces Bernie into center, Sierra into right and Russ Johnson into left unless they lose the DH

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:52 PM

Too bad Gayrod reached, now losing the DH won't hurt as much.

Anyway, the O plan has to be: Aim for the outfield.

Nice job Ringo.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:53 PM

Russ Johnson has played 2 games in the OF in his career - both this year in RF.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 10:55 PM

I'm a bit surprised Torre has already used three PH with two innings to go.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 10:58 PM

Well, it got him 2 runs whern they had a chance to get them. The way things are going for them, they gotta I think.

Hate to see our 3-4 hitters go down on 4 pitches after an inning like that

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 10:59 PM

Two more lefties lead off the next inning, so they should stick with Royce.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:03 PM

OK, switch to the righthander to face Posada.

Por favor, Willie.

Tino's the only guy left on their bench.

OE: Good, now let's go Hernandez.

The Brooklyn Bum
Jun 26 2005 11:08 PM

Four pitch walk? I've got a bad feeling about this.

Somebody hold me.

:cry:

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:13 PM

Bring in Pedro Martinez.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:16 PM

Miller overdid that call.

Whew.

abogdan
Jun 26 2005 11:16 PM

Whew. That one was close. They could really use another run or two in the 9th.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:16 PM

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaah!

martin
Jun 26 2005 11:17 PM

joe morgan and fathead are coming up with some wild commentary this game.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:18 PM

Let's see what that makeshift outfield can do.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:18 PM

I'd like to nick up Mariano here a little, make their comeback more difficult and this series all the more humiliating.

TheOldMole
Jun 26 2005 11:22 PM

Well, no nicks...now we just need to make a one run lead hold up.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:23 PM

NIce hope. Eight-pitch inning for Rivera.

Sheffield, Rodriguez, Matsui in the ninth.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:25 PM

Sheff's out, so Martinez PHinmg for Russ "Cut from the '02 Mets" Johnson

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:26 PM

Of course, Johnson was in for Shef.

Now Martinez in for Johnson. Interesting D coming if the Yanks tie it.

TheOldMole
Jun 26 2005 11:28 PM

Stop walking these jerks!!!

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:29 PM

Eight-pitch walk to Tino.

Slappy at the plate.

Spacemans Bong
Jun 26 2005 11:29 PM

If Looper blows this I will fly to New York and make sure he's floating in the East River by morning.

Spacemans Bong
Jun 26 2005 11:30 PM

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE LOOPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

TheOldMole
Jun 26 2005 11:31 PM

That was bad. ARod killing Looper again.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:31 PM

grrrr

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:32 PM

Bring back Armando.

Young healthy Armando, please.

Ugh.

cooby
Jun 26 2005 11:34 PM

Please, please, pleeease can we get rid of Looper?

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:34 PM

Bummer.

Spacemans Bong
Jun 26 2005 11:34 PM

Seeya, Looper. Get the fuck off this ballclub. Make Hernandez the closer.

Edgy DC
Jun 26 2005 11:35 PM

Nighty-night, Rabbit.

TheOldMole
Jun 26 2005 11:40 PM

I always defended Armando, so I'm not a knee jerk closer killer.

I'm ready to 86 Looper.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:40 PM

10 fucking walks.

Rotblatt
Jun 26 2005 11:45 PM

All our relief pitchers sucked tonight. Looper, Bell, Heilman . . . Okay, so Ring was okay, but our pen--and Wright's error--really killed this game for us.

This game was so goddamn frustrating . . . It totally takes away any momentum we had coming out of the series having taken 2 of 3.

Fucking Jason Giambi? I mean, seriously, Loop, come on.

NOt only 10 fuckng walks, but by Gary & Howie's account, wide strike zone by the home plate ump tonight.

And jesus, but we had Torre over a barrell, there. His closer was in, his final bench player was in. Even letting the tying run home would have put us in a good position, despite being the away team.

garrrr.

Crappy fucking game.

gnatman
Jun 26 2005 11:46 PM

I say give Royce Ring a shot at closer - I like what I've seen of his stuff and he seems to have a bit of bad ass rebel 'tude to him - like the way he pushes right up to the line with Willie's stupid no facial hair rule . . . and as a rookie no less. Maybe he's a "Mad Hungarian" in the making.

metirish
Jun 26 2005 11:47 PM

Guys not for nothing but Looper is a heart attack waiting to happen for Mets fans, I know he has 15 saves but I feared when he came in that he would bollox it, walking Tino fucking Marinez was a killer, we need a closer, and now, Looper is an 8th inning guy, man I'm pissed...

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 26 2005 11:48 PM
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His results are very average and he's a lefty without overpowering stuff.

Attitude is only part of it. Wendell was a freak and just fine in the 7th inning. If Ring is lucky one day he approaches His Turkness.

Looper's not getting enough K's for a guy with his stuff: I agree, he's dangerous back there now but over the course of the year I'd say he still one of the the best 2 we have. Hernandez is the other but I haven't much faith in his getting stronger as the year goes on.

Spacemans Bong
Jun 26 2005 11:50 PM

Looper has struck out 12 men in 27 innings this year. He's close to cooked. Graves struck out more than that in his salad days, and Graves was known for getting saves without a strikeout.

metirish
Jun 26 2005 11:55 PM

The problem who the hell is available, what about the guy for the Tigers?, is he still injured, I have no idea, this game was a killer, we beat the wankers 2 out of 3 but it feels like we lost the series, that doesn't make sence I know, we had the fuckers and we dropped it..

holychicken
Jun 26 2005 11:59 PM

Ouch. . . that's all I can say. . . fucking ouch.

Oh well, at least we took two of three from the yanks in yankee stadium. This loss sucked, but the series, IMO, still went well.

Sorry I lied, looks I can and did say a little more.

That is all.

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 12:15 AM

I know he has 15 saves but I feared when he came in that he would bollox it

Of course you did. But you would have it was Gagne.

Let's sleep on this one here. The peeps nominating Ring and Hernandez in this thread have to acknowledge that it took a team to fumble this one.

Graves and Koo are clean tonight, I guess.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2005 12:18 AM

Obviously Looper gets the biggest raspberry for the night, but:

* Beltran, Piazza & Floyd combined for an 0-12 and managed to get the ball out of the infield just twice (both fly outs)

* 9 walks, plus a balk and an error

* if the Yanx could field we'd have scored only 1 run

* even before Looper our relievers faced 11 batters and retired 6 (one on a questionable call)

* MFY relievers started w/Reyes's infield dribbler/fielding farce - and then retired 7 straight batters (on what seemed like 15 pitches)

metirish
Jun 27 2005 12:21 AM

Train I'll sleep on it but I fear I will think the same thing the next game Looper comes in to save,not looking at numbers but Looper is not Gagne.

Rockin' Doc
Jun 27 2005 07:48 AM

I had a bad feeling about the game last night. The Mets just couldn't put the game away. When Willie went to Hernandez, I just couldn't take the suspense any longer. I needed to get some sleep, so I turned off the game and went to bed, I just didn't want to spend the night tossing and turning because I had watched the bullpen blow the game

I know that I took the cowards way out, but I slept well and awoke with the faint hope that my fears had been unfounded. Unfortunately, I awoke to find that my nightmare ending had indeed come to fruition. I'm rested, but I'm still quite frustrated.

seawolf17
Jun 27 2005 07:53 AM

Doc, I did the same exact thing. I'm not really angry about this loss, though; I think they're starting to play well, winning a few series and moving forward.

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 09:51 AM

not looking at numbers but Looper is not Gagne.

My point is that you would have felt what you felt under any circumstances. The best fireman in the world won't keep you from feeling terrible when your house is burning.

As Frayed Knot enumerated, the Mets, as a team, did enough to earn this loss. The entire bullpen allowed nine batters to reach base in two innings.

The most annoying pitching at-bat of the year has to be when the Mets had come back against the Mariners but fumbled the game away after Mike DeJean got ahead 0-2 on Richie Sexson but, rather than put him away, bounced four ptitches low and away. (Piazza, by the way, did a great job blocking one of those pitches with his hand.)

DeJean, apparently lacking the confidence to throw a strike to a strong hitter, was released. It was an excellent lesson for the younger pitchers in this bullpen that they don't seem to have learned. You can't go respecting Rodriguez and Martinez so much that you can't confront them. Sooner or later you run out of places to put these guys and Giambi is up.

By the way, for all the coddling of fading vets the Mets are accused of, they've released three apparently healthy veteran pitchers the first half of this season. I can't remember the last time they cut peeps loose that aggressively. Last year, the only one I remember released outright was James Baldwin, I think. (Or did he get re-assigned to Norfolk after clearing waivers?) Maybe Darensbourg also.

Centerfield
Jun 27 2005 09:54 AM

Benson aside, no one really played well enough to warrant winning that game anyway. Like FK said, we score only one run if the MFY's didn't leave their gloves at home. Two out of three, second straight series win, bbbyyy...

Still makes me mad.

seawolf17
Jun 27 2005 09:54 AM

Erickson?

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 09:59 AM
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Erickson was traded for cannon fodder.

On edit: Josh Hoffpauir. I think he's out of baseball now. He had come out of coaching at his alma mater to join the Texas system last year.

gnatman
Jun 27 2005 10:07 AM

wtf was with that throw that Beltran airmailed to the plate, allowing the runner the runner to advance to second on his braunlock - we oughta at least get basic Little League fundamentals

Centerfield
Jun 27 2005 10:11 AM

Oh, and another thing, can ESPN possibly interview more people during a telecast? Omar Minaya, Brian Cashman, Willie Randolph, Joe Torre, the point guard from Wake Forest...I thought they were going to pull random guys from the stands and start interviewing them.

"This is Sam Ryan, and I'm here with Joe from Connecticut..."

cooby
Jun 27 2005 10:12 AM

I am Soooo glad you brought that up.

Did Omar have something new to say that he didn't say during Friday night's broadcast?

They're getting to be as circus-like as Fox, and that's an insult.

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 10:22 AM

I think that for two teams playing poorly, Joe Torre sort of out-managed Randolph. I can't remember the last time I saw an AL manager playing under AL rules empty his bench and not burn the DH rule. Willie meanwhile didn't get Diaz in against a fearsome lefthander because he was afeared to play him at second, afeared to play him at first, afeard to put him at DH and Piazza at first, and unwilling to sit Floyd in left.

So, if that game goes to extra innings, does Torre lose the DH by switching Matsui into the outfield or does he try to hide Martinez or Giambi out there? Probably the former.

silverdsl
Jun 27 2005 10:23 AM

Centerfield wrote:
Oh, and another thing, can ESPN possibly interview more people during a telecast? Omar Minaya, Brian Cashman, Willie Randolph, Joe Torre, the point guard from Wake Forest...I thought they were going to pull random guys from the stands and start interviewing them.

"This is Sam Ryan, and I'm here with Joe from Connecticut..."
Drives me nuts too. Yeah, if they're some big annoucement that Cashman or Minaya needs to make then it's justified but otherwise I don't want to hear from these folks until after the game. I just want to watch the freaking game.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2005 10:50 AM

]So, if that game goes to extra innings, does Torre lose the DH by switching Matsui into the outfield or does he try to hide Martinez or Giambi out there?


Reportedly he was going to put Matsui in LF and go DH-less for the rest of the game. Tino was volunteering to play the OF but Torre apparently wasn't going to take him up on it. Personally I would have.

I'm not so sure Torre didn't over-manage a bit.
With runner on 2nd/no outs in the 7th down by 2, he PH-ed Sierra for Womack. Neither is hitting particularly well this year but Womack is at least a contact hitter. And it was that move that triggered the OF problems when Sierra K'd and Sheff got tossed on the next play.

Rotblatt
Jun 27 2005 10:55 AM

I don't think Willie was out-managed; I think that Torre was desperate. His team was fucking up left and right and Torre was going all out to try and get something going.

Putting Mariano in was a good move, but putting Tino in was was all desperation.

It ended up working, but only because Looper lost Tino. Which is pretty fucking sad, really. I mean, you HAVE to throw strikes there, and despite Tino's dinger off him the other day, Tino had been ice cold.

ScarletKnight41
Jun 27 2005 11:32 AM

When the Wake Forest player was being interviewed, Mini Knight, in a properly sarcastic tone, said, "I thought this was supposed to be a BASEBALL game!"

That kid will be posting here before you know it.

Frayed Knot
Jun 27 2005 12:06 PM

The reason for the hoopster, of course, is because espn is broadcasting the b-ball draft thingie later this week -- and NO ONE self-promotes like the espn/ABC/Disney folks.
For the most part they treat many of the sporting events they do simply as a vehicle to promote OTHER programming.

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 12:16 PM

]I'm not so sure Torre didn't over-manage a bit.


Yeah, I'm not so sure either. But firing your last bullet and having it work out has to feel pretty good, and having our lead chipped away at without a single non-pitcher leaving the bench feels a little empty.

Not that it matters, the failure was in the pen, but with the DH at my disposal, I'd've bent over backwards to get Diaz in there.

That said, what I'd probably have done is something not-so-bold by like put Diaz at DH (or maybe in left with Floyd at DH) and Piazza at catcher, and missed out on the productive game that Castro had.

The seemingly over-matched Marlon Anderson also had a double and reached on an error.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 27 2005 12:23 PM

Made a couple of nice plays in the field too, tho couldn't stretch far enough to have caught Jeter's single.

I think the Met roleplayers all did their jobs well enough. It was the regulars not hitting that hurt.

Having 3-4-5 up in the 8th and going down so meekly (well at least until Cliff took em to the wall) was a major disappointment and primed me for the failure to follow. I'd be surprised if Beltran saw as many as 10 pitches all night.

Edgy DC
Jun 27 2005 12:34 PM
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Carlos Beltran, Game Review

First Inning, None on, Two out:

Pitch 1 - Ball
Pitch 2 - Grounds out, pitcher Randy Johnson to first baseman Jason Giambi.

Third Inning, Runner on Second, Two Out:

Pitch 1 - Ball
Pitch 2 - Foul
Pitch 3 - Ball
Pitch 4 - Ball
Pitch 5 - Grounds out, shortstop Derek Jeter to first baseman Jason Giambi.

Sixth Inning, Runner on Second, One Out:

Pitch 1 - Foul
Pitch 2 - Swinging Strike
Pitch 3 - Ball
Pitch 4 - Strikes out Swinging

Eighth Inning, Leading Off:

Pitch 1 - Grounds out, second baseman Robinson Cano to first baseman Jason Giambi.

It was a festival of feebleness for Beltran. Twelve pitches, three harmless groundouts and a whiff. Are the mediots after him yet? I hope not, but he's turning Mike Piazza and Cliff Floyd into leadoff batters.

cooby
Jun 27 2005 12:35 PM

He made some important catches, though

Rockin' Doc
Jun 27 2005 01:42 PM

Beltran is doing okay this year, but he has not yet been the "superstar" the Mets paid for this winter. Simply being good isn't going to cut it. This team really needs him to step up and be one of the premier players in the game, which is what they are paying him to be.

He made some nice catches last night, but defense in center field wasn't the issue last year. Beltran was signed and displaced Cameron in center field because he is expected to be the offensive stud of the Mets line up.

As snadgnat brought up earlier in this thread, Beltran's misguided throw to the plate last night was fundamentally unsound baseball which allowed Jeter to move into scoring position and ultimately score another Yankee run.

This team has a lot of talent, but it seems to let too many games just slip away. The offense has, as a whole, underperformed this season and the bull pen has offered only sporadic relief. There are still too many holes for this team to seriously contend for a playoff spot. Luckily, this team shows far more talent than the Mets of recent vintage.

Rotblatt
Jun 27 2005 01:58 PM

I hate to say it, but Beltran's not doing okay. His .744 OPS is 11th out of 14 qualified NL center fielders.

He's .053 OPS points below the next highest, Jason Ellison. He's towards the bottom in AVG, OBP & SLG and towards the top in K's. He has only 1 SB.

His OPS in June is .644.

Now, I don't expect him to keep this up, and some of it is probably attributable to his quad, but he's been a very realy problem for this team .

SI Metman
Jun 27 2005 04:27 PM

Well this one goes in the top 10 worst losses of the season and the shoulda game log.

rpackrat
Jun 27 2005 04:53 PM

]Now, I don't expect him to keep this up, and some of it is probably attributable to his quad, but he's been a very realy problem for this team .


Beltran has not been a problem. He has not been what we hoped -- yet -- but he has been far from a problem.

Rotblatt
Jun 27 2005 05:18 PM

]Beltran has not been a problem. He has not been what we hoped -- yet -- but he has been far from a problem
.

I don't see how you can say that. Beltran is only .058 OPS points ahead of Mientkiewicz--a difference of only 8%--whom we all agree is/was a huge problem. Piazza has a better AVG, OBP & SLG than Beltran, and we're all calling for Willie to drop Piazza in the order. This month, Beltran is hitting .202 AVG/.273 OBP/.371 SLG.

Of COURSE he's been a problem.

I expect him to snap out of it, but I don't think we should give him a pass because we all think he's due to go on a tear soon. He probably should have sat on the DL for a week or three and Diaz--who is to Beltran what Beltran is to Mientkiewicz in terms of OPS so far this year--should have been starting.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 27 2005 05:50 PM

Beltran's bad month (in combination with way below average production at 1B) has been murdering us dead.