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Edgy DC
Oct 03 2005 04:52 PM

Six Mets prospects go to the Arizona Fall League this year, assigned to the Grand Canyon Rafters to join with prospects from the Marlins, Twins, Yankees, and Rangers. Didn't Met prospects play for one of the Peoria teams in the past. I'm not sure how I feel about our players co-mingling with Yankee prospects, to say nothing of a division rival.

The league is a good place for guys who are currently upgrading their prospect status, are switching positions, or could use a little more playing time after misisng part of a season with injuries or just a slow start. It's a good proving ground, loaded with solid AA players, providing for a AAA level of competition. Anyhow, it sure seemed to help make a man out of Brian Bannister last season.

Among the Mets prospects, Jeremy Hill seems a little old for this assignment, and Lastings Millege a little young. If there was any doubt that Milledge was on the fast track, put it aside now. Maybe he can clean up his stealing numbers if nothing else.

Andy Wilson is interesting. Another firstbase/catcher tweener prospect of ambiguous background who slugged his way into the picture at St. Lucie.

The real reclamation project here is Matt LIndstrom.

Jeremy HillR/R5-1120008/08/77Norfolk000.00200001.2100001

St. Lucie002.35700017.2842135

Matt LindstromR/R6-421002/11/80Binghamton255.40351000073.1906144115558


Chase LambinINFB/R6-118307/07/79Binghamton5318126601701429119203820.396.657.3311.053

Lastings MilledgeOFR/R6-018704/05/85St.Lucie6223248701504229719411813.385.418.302.803

Andy WilsonC/1BR/R6-121011/20/80St.Lucie127464811322532889247688884.370.532.284.902


Oct 03 2005 04:58 PM

Mike Jacobs was originally targeted for 'Zona. But they have decided to have him play in one of the more advanced Winter leagues in Latin America. Not sure which one.


Edgy DC
Oct 03 2005 04:59 PM

Tomorrow the Rafters open against one of the Peoriae. Can't wait.

Oct 03 2005 05:00 PM

Mike Jacobs was originally targeted for 'Zona. But they have decided to have him play in one of the more advanced Winter leagues in Latin America. Not sure which one.

EDIT: Oh crap! I'm Joe Torre. Please tell me I'm not an ugly Yankee.


Edgy DC
Oct 04 2005 10:13 PM

Game one features a 1-4 showing by Lastings Milledge, batting second. Milledge stole second and scored in the 9-6 loss to the Peoria Javalinas.

Chase Lambin, batting eighth and playing shortstop, went 1-5. No other Mets prosects appeared. The Player of the Game for the Rafters was Twins AAA prospect Garrett Jones, who went 2-3 with two homers, two walks, and three RBI.

The Mets own Ken Oberkfel is managing, with Florida's John Mallee joining him as coach and Texas's David Chavarria as pitching coach. Minnesota and the Yankees provided the trainers, and I guess filled the Gatorade coolers.

Milledge is writing a [url=]player journal[/url], essaying on his experiences in the league.

Oh, boy! Write to Lastings! I just sent him an e-mail with a question and inviting him to visit.

Oct 04 2005 10:23 PM

Matt Lindstrom needs to learn how to throw a strike once in a while.

Edgy DC
Oct 04 2005 10:26 PM

Did I mention that Andy Wilson is from the magic town of Zanesville, OH?

Oct 04 2005 10:43 PM

Zanesville Ohio is the home of ex-Met Jay Payton.

Oct 04 2005 10:45 PM

There was another one too, in 2000, but I forget who it was. I always wondered if they knew each other

Oct 04 2005 10:47 PM

Wow, am I a lucky girl or what? I decided to look on umdb, and it was Kurt Abbott, who is the second Met listed

Edgy DC
Oct 04 2005 10:51 PM

You're the luck child.

Zanesville, Where Mets Are Made.

Oct 04 2005 10:53 PM

When we visited Cincinnati in 2003 we stopped by a Cracker Barrel in Zanesville on our way home. It rang a bell, but I couldn't figure out why. I asked the girl at the cash register, but she could only suggest that it was the home of Zane Grey. Months later I saw a Payton bio and realized why it sounded so familiar to me.

Edgy DC
Oct 11 2005 04:59 PM


Edgy DC
Oct 11 2005 05:18 PM


Oct 11 2005 09:13 PM

Hey, Matty... throw a freaking strike once in a while.

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 09:30 AM

Wilson seems stuck on the depth chart behind David Parrish --- the Yankees 2000 first-round pick who has been mostly struggling.

Trivia quesion: David is the son of Lance Parrish, and together they became the third father-son combo to have both been drafted in the first round. Name the two pairs that preceded them in attaining this distinction.

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 09:46 AM

Meanwhile, the numbers so far for Brandon Wood of the Surprise Scoprpions:

Brandon Wood62791210816371500.444.4831.3701.853

He's a shortstop who slugged .672 in a full season this year for the high A Rancho Cucamonga Quakes

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 12 2005 09:48 AM

My mother-in-law was once surprised to find a scorpion in her shoe.

Is that how the team got its name?

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 10:09 AM

From the town homepage:

A Rich Heritage - A Prosperous Future

Surprise was little more than a gas station and few small houses in 1938 when founder, Homer C. Ludden, a Glendale letter carrier, and former state legislator turned real estate developer, subdivided the rural square-mile parcel into low-cost home sites for the area’s agricultural workers, naming it after his Nebraska hometown.

Today, it’s one of Arizona’s - and America’s - fastest growing cities. Flanked by one of Arizona’s largest mountain preserves, and situated in the stunning Saguaro-dotted Sonoran desert just a half-hour from downtown Phoenix, it is blossoming into a meticulously planned city.

About Surprise, NE, I was able to find out little, except that it is One. Small. Town.

Statistics & Facts

The population of Surprise is approximately 55 (1990).
The approximate number of families is 26 (1990).

The amount of land area in Surprise is 1.033 sq. kilometers.
The amount of surface water is 0 sq kilometers.
The distance from Surprise to Washington DC is 1124 miles. The distance to the Nebraska state capital is 38 miles. (as the crow flies)
Surprise is positioned 41.10 degrees north of the equator and 97.30 degrees west of the prime meridian.

Surprise History

An early log cabin, located on the Abram Towner farm, one-half mile south and one mile east of Surprise, built in 1866, was said to be the first building of its kind in Butler Co. and on the first homestead in the county. But log houses were probably built by settlers along the Platte river late in the fifties and early in the sixties.


Surprise is also the first record by Better than Ezra, hard to find now.

Oct 12 2005 11:57 AM

I'd like to give another shout out to Chase Lambin, who continues to rake in 2005.

Why is he being ignored in the media while Hernandez and Keppinger get the press?

Any idea what position he's playing in the AFL? I'm assuming 2B, but he played some 3B in AAA.

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 12:03 PM

He was at second base the two games I followed.

He's gotten less attenttion because the other two are ahead of him in line, having played more at AAA and in the bigs.

Lambin played AFL ball last year also, added to the roster at the last moment when either the league or the Mets decided Jeff Keppinger had played more big-league ball than your typical AFL-er.

Lindstrom is also repeating.

Oct 12 2005 12:53 PM

I have this feeling that Lambin will eventually be a Matt Franco type of player - reaching the majors at 28 or so, and having a few years in the bigs as a utility player. Has anyone seen him play? His numbers have improved, but do the numbers match the on-field performance?


Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 02:43 PM

Lasting hits his journal and then his mailbag:

Everything's been going well here. I've been hanging out with a lot of guys -- Denard (Span), Reggie (Abercrombie) and (Robert) Andino. We're having a lot of fun. Everything is going smoothly. We're not putting pressure on ourselves. We're just playing the game.

It's hard not to put pressure on yourself during the regular season. You have to put up numbers. But I think this will help. If I struggle, I'll go back and think, "In the Fall League I had fun and did well." I think that will help.

The first couple of days, I was feeling pretty comfortable at the plate. (Editor's Note: Through his first games, Milledge was hitting .429 with a homer and four RBIs.) There are a lot of good ptichers here, which makes it tough, but right now I feel like I'm at the top of my game. We'll see if I can keep that up.

I'm living near Scottsdale, 45 minutes away from the park. I don't mind the drive since I had a 45-minute trip to school every day when I was in high school. It's a lot easier now.

On our off day on Thursday, we hung out at the mall, walked around, talked baseball a bit, got a bite to eat. Nothing too much went on, but we had a good time.

Before I get to your emails, I'd like to say hello to Deon Troute. He's my friend from high school who I played basketball with. I'd also like to say hello to Michelle Martinez, my phys. ed. teacher and Dr. Williams, my history teacher. They were my biggest inspiration in high school. And of course I can't forget my high school coaches Darrel Don from North Side and Coach Motes from Lakewood Ranch. Last, but not least, I know my my dad and my family are checking in, too.

Now, on to your emails.

You always hear people talk about "learning the strike zone" and "pitch recognition." How do you learn to recognize pitches? I know there are the adages that people have like "looking for the dot" on a slider and looking for spins on curveballs. Is it a matter of just reading scouting reports on guys and knowing what to expect? -- Eli

Eli, it's just getting at-bats. The key is at-bats. You're not going to learn overnight. You need more repetition seeing the slider often, seeing that curveball often. It's not like you can say, "I'm going to learn how to do this today." The only way to learn and get better at it is through at-bats. If you see it every day on a consistent basis, you can learn to adjust to it.

With the Mets' signing of Carlos Beltran to a seven-year deal to play center field, where do you see yourself playing? Would you be willing to switch positions to play either left or right for the Mets or would you rather be traded so you could play your natural position for some other team? -- Chris, Ravena, NY

Chris, I really don't want to be traded. I want to play for the Mets because they drafted me when 11 other teams passed me up. I don't want to go to another team just to play center field. That isn't the point. The point is getting to the big leagues and getting my time started. I know I'll have to play left. I'm willing to work at that, to be the best left or right fielder I can be. I'll play wherever the Mets want me to go. I feel if I put my time in, I'll get my chance some day in center. For now Carlos Beltran will hold it down and I have to work on an alternate position. I'm willing to do that. The Mets haven't told me to do that yet, but all you have to do is put two and two together. Here in Arizona, I've played a couple of games in left and I felt good out there. I have no choice since we have five center fielders on this team here. So I'll get a lot of reps in left this fall.

I'm 15 years old and I'm a big fan of yours. I was wondering what pitcher you faced this year had the best pure stuff? -- Henry

I would have to say Justin Verlander. He had the best pure stuff. He's got the 97 mph fastball, 83 mph slider the sinker and a curve ball. I think he had the best pure stuff.

Oct 12 2005 02:52 PM

Is he trying to tell us that he might not have the arm to play right field?


Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 02:58 PM

No. Left is just the alternative position where he had been recently assigned.

Edgy DC
Oct 12 2005 09:37 PM

October 1: Rafters 11, Saguaros 8. The win pulls the Rafters within a game and a half of the Phoenix Devil Dogs and the Peoria Javalinas, tied for first in the National Division.

Pinnacle Peak PotG: DH Garrett Jones (Twins). The 244-pounder drove in five runs in the first two innings with a two-run single and three-run homer, finishing 2-5.

Bierbitzch Mets PotG: Lastings Milledge. He played centerfield and went 1-3 with a two-run single before being lifted.

The Rafters led 10-0 after seven thanks largely to four shutout innings by Steve White (Yankees) and three by Taylor Tankersley (Marlins). All seven runs were charged in the last two innings to T.J. Beam (Yankees), though only two were earned, and the others were aided by errata by third baseman Drew Meyer (Rangers) and shortstop Robert Andino (Marlins).

Edgy DC
Oct 14 2005 11:29 AM

Milledge injures foot in Arizona game
Speedy center fielder listed as day-to-day

=blue]By Marty Noble /

Lastings Milledge hit .318 in stints with St. Lucie and Binghamton in 2005. (Blayne Beal/USA Baseball)

Lastings Milledge, one of the most highly touted prospects in the Mets farm system, was not in the lineup for the Arizona Fall League's Grand Canyon Rafters on Thursday night, due to a bruised left heel he suffered running out a ground ball the previous night.

Lastings Milledge hit .318 in stints with St. Lucie and Binghamton in 2005. (Blayne Beal/USA Baseball)
The 20-year-old center fielder injured his foot as he approached first base in the fourth inning of the Rafters' game against Peoria. He was listed as day-to-day.

Milledge, the Mets' first-round selection in the 2003 First-Year Player Draft, split the 2005 season between Class A St. Lucie and Double-A Binghamton. He also played for the United States team, managed by former Mets manager Davey Johnson, in the World Cup baseball tournament.

He batted .337 with four home runs and 24 RBIs in 193 at-bats with Binghamton, stole 11 bases in 16 attempts and scored 33 runs in 48 games. He hit .302 with four home runs and 22 RBI in 232 at-bats with St. Lucie, stealing 18 bases in 31 attempts and scoring 48 runs in 62 games.

=blue]Marty Noble is a reporter for This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

Oct 17 2005 12:46 PM

Here's an update on our dudes from

Through 10 games, Ken Oberkfell's Grand Canyon Rafters find themselves in the shallow cellar of the Arizona Fall League's National division, posting a 4-6 record to rank third in the three-team division.

The Rafters return to action with six more games this week. Our weekly look at how the Mets' prospects are faring in the AFL:

Jeremy Hill , RHP: Through four appearances for Grand Canyon, Hill has had two very good outings, one OK one and one poor showing. His last effort came on Oct. 14 against PDD and was the poor showing, allowing two hits and three runs while walking one in a third of an inning. Prior to that, Hill turned in his strongest effort of the AFL to date on Oct. 11, facing seven batters and not allowing a hit in a two-inning stint against Surprise - his first AFL victory. Overall, Hill is 1-1 with a 6.75 ERA in 5.1 innings pitched, and hitters are batting .190 against him.

Chase Lambin , IF: Has played six games in the Arizona Fall League so far, spreading his time between shortstop (two games), second base (two games) and designated hitter (two games). Overall, Lambin is hitting 286 (6-for-21) with one home run, two doubles, three runs scored and three RBI. The home run and all three RBI came in Grand Canyon's victory over Phoenix on Oct. 8; Lambin also stroked two hits and scored a run on Oct. 15 against Mesa.

Matt Lindstrom, RHP: Is still looking for his first AFL appearance in which he doesn't allow a run. Overall, Lindstrom has taken the mound three times for Grand Canyon, and he's posted a 13.50 ERA in four innings pitched; opposing batters are clubbing him at a .500 (9-for-18) clip. His worst outing came on Oct. 8, when Lindstrom faced eight batters, walking three and allowing four hits.

Evan MacLane , LHP: Has made two starts for Grand Canyon, going 0-1 with a 13.50 ERA. After a horrid debut, allowing seven runs in two innings on Oct. 8 against Phoenix, MacLane got another crack at the Desert Dogs on Oct. 14 and fared better, allowing two earned runs in four innings. He's been stroked for a .345 average (10-for-29) so far, walking four and striking out six. The walk totals are unusually high for MacLane, even given the small sample size.

Lastings Milledge , OF: The Mets' top prospect has not played since bruising his left heel running to first base on Oct. 12; before the injury, Milledge had gone 7-for-21 (.333) in his first taste of the AFL. Milledge wrote in his player journal on that the injury was nothing to worry about, and that he expects to be back on the field shortly. He has scored five runs and has a home run, two doubles, one stolen base and six RBI so far. Three of his games came in center field, but Milledge's first game for Grand Canyon was as a left fielder.

Andy Wilson, C: The utilityman has played four games, all at catcher, for Grand Canyon. He's batting .231 (3-for-13) with two runs scored and has six strikeouts already, including five in his last two games.

Edgy DC
Oct 17 2005 12:59 PM

We just hang out and chill. That's about it.

Journal: Milledge eager to get back

First off, I want to let everyone know I'm ok. I had to leave the game the other day. I've just got a bruised heel. I should be back playing on Monday. I took it easy for two days, that's about it. I can't do too much. They want me to stay off it. I'll probably start doing active work on Saturday then get back to playing on Monday.

I get a little bit antsy, but I'm not going to kill myself. When it heals, and it feels good, I'll get back out there. I don't want to rush it, but on the other hand, I do want to play. So I'll take it easy and make sure it's healthy before I get back out there.

The league has been the same for the most part over the past week, except for Brandon Wood hitting four bombs in one game against us. That was pretty exciting. It was fun to see someone hit like that. We're more relaxed out here, so we were kind of happy for him. We're trying to win the game, but it's not the same thing as during the year. It was a cool sight to see because I'd never seen anything like it before.

Glen Perkins, Denard Span, Reggie Abercrombie and Robert Andino, all of us hung out again on the day off last Sunday. I left Glen out of the journal last week and he got mad at me. I have to make sure I throw him in this week. Otherwise, he won't talk to me. He's a cool guy. That seems to be the group for when we have free time. We just hang out and chill. That's about it.

And that's about it for me this week. Now, I'll get to some of your emails.

Lastings' Mailbag Send Lastings an email >

The scouts call you a five-tool player. What do you feel is your strongest and your weakest tool? -- Ben

If you're a five-tool player, you don't really have any weak tools. Seriously, I won't say I have any weak tools, but I probably need to work on the baserunning the most. I'd have to say my defense is my strongest tool at this point. I don't have any problems on that end.

Who in the Majors do you think you are most comparable too? I have heard a mix between Torii Hunter and Gary Sheffield. Would you agree? -- Derrick S.

Actually, I don't agree with that. There's not anybody who can be as vicious a hitter as Gary Sheffield. I'd have to say, if anything, it's between Kenny Lofton and Rickey Henderson. But I don't like to compare myself to anyone.

Conor Jackson last year during his AFL journal was very outspoken on autograph dealers and how they make money from his signature. As one of the top prospects in the Arizona Fall League, what are your thoughts on this subject? Do you have a limit on how many items you sign? Do you not sign for someone you beleive to be a autograph dealer? -- Owen G., London, England

I don't mind signing. It doesn't bother me as much. The guys who have 12 cards to sign, I'll only sign a couple of them. I have no problem signing cards, but there are guys who do abuse the privilege. If they come with a sheet of cards, I'll only sign a couple of them.

Oct 17 2005 01:19 PM

Brandon Wood. I just read about him like a week ago. He had a RIDICULOUS year in the minors this year.

.321, 43 HR, 116 RBI. 53 doubles. 101 extra-base hits. 1.046 OPS. He's a shortstop in the Angels organization.

Oct 17 2005 02:05 PM

He was mentioned during the game last night as an option if they move Cabrera.

Oct 17 2005 04:42 PM

For this dude, they ought to move him.

Frayed Knot
Oct 17 2005 04:48 PM

There's an on-line article on Brandon Wood in today's Baseball America

He did have a ridiculous season. It's still only High A ball - although Wright jumped from that level to the majors in just half a season.
And while you should tone down those numbers a bit - seeing as how the California Leauge is sort of the polar opposite of it's east coast counterpart (Fla St League) in that most of the sites there are in those high/hot/dry inland California cities making them tremendous hitter-friendly parks - those are still some sick stats..

Oct 17 2005 08:20 PM

Where does this Lastings Milledge journal come from?

Oct 17 2005 09:23 PM

TheOldMole wrote:
Where does this Lastings Milledge journal come from?

Edgy is really Lastings Milledge; he's done a good job of covering it up so far, but HA! We're onto you now, buddy.

Edgy DC
Oct 17 2005 10:25 PM
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I've been breaking into Lastings' desk. He caught me doing it once, so I whacked him in the heel and ran for it.

Actually, [url=][u:c5ccbdc10b]here[/u:c5ccbdc10b][/url]'s the AFL homepage. [url=][u:c5ccbdc10b]Here[/u:c5ccbdc10b][/url]'s the journal.

I've been trying to get myself OK with copying and pasting articles. I don't like when I do it, but I know that stuff will be gone, and I want archives of it, for the forum's sake and my own.

And that's some pretty insipid journal-writing, but one detail in it may someday provide link in a great story.

Oct 18 2005 07:46 AM

Which detail?

Edgy DC
Oct 18 2005 08:14 AM

I have little idea.

Edgy DC
Oct 20 2005 03:15 PM

October 19th.

Grand Canyon 5, Peoria (Saquaros) 4. Box. Wrapup.

Good news in that Lastings Milledge is back quickly. Bad news is that Matt Lindstrom is really off the rails, coming on in the seventh inning and coughing up the Rafters' 4-1 lead and blowing a vicotry for Nick Ungs, a questionably-named prospect for the Marlins.

The Player of the Game is Ungs, who went five and struck out give, while giving up only three hits and two walks. The Mets Player of the Game is Andy Wilson., who reached in all three of his plate appearances and scored a run.

Oct 20 2005 03:27 PM

Is that Jeff Duncan playing third for the Seguros?


Frayed Knot
Oct 20 2005 04:06 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Oct 20 2005 11:23 PM

No, that would be "top" MFY prospect Eric Duncan ... top being a relative term here
(Jeff, you may remember, throws left-handed).

Eric was drafted in the late 1st round the same year as Milledge (#28 or so to Milledge's #12). He signed quicker and got off to a fast start which was used as ammo in a Bill Madden article (which was critically discussed here at one point) lambasting Met minor league director Gary LaRoque.
(paraphrasing) 'the rest of baseball was "stunned" when the Mets chose Milledge over the superior Duncan' claimed Madden in a NYDN piece, a claim that holds little water since;
a) 15 other teams then passed on him too
b) the pre-draft buzz put both players right around where they were eventually drafted
c) Madden did himself little good when he referred to the NYY prospect as "Chris" Duncan. (Yo Bill, if you're going to take dictation from your Yanqui front office friends, at least copy down the name correctly)
d) Duncan stumbled this year while Milledge progressed nicely and will almost certainly be higher on everyone's prospect list next Spring.

Oct 20 2005 04:32 PM

Yep, I was thinking of Mets third base prospect Shaun Bowman.


Edgy DC
Oct 20 2005 04:36 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 07 2005 09:52 AM

What Elster88 doesn't get is how users got unregistered. If we lose memory, then posts disappearing makes sense, but if even any account set up from a certain date is lost then that's shady. Is it even possible to back-up accounts?

Frayed Knot
Oct 20 2005 04:50 PM

Milledge was already as high or higher than Duncan on the pre-'05 lists, prolly based on him playing a premiere defensive position.
Duncan has a nice swing according to those who follow such stuff but it's questionable whether he can stay at 3rd and a move to 1st means he'll really have to hit. An average that plummetted into the .230s this year won't help his star (although he's still just 19 and in AA) and the gap between him and Milledge will almost certainly grow in the next round of assessments.

]i don't quite remember that article or that thread

It was one that Doc-Sal-Bret used as an excuse to jump all over many of us about. Seems that our opposition to Madden's conclusion was proof not only of our swallowing the Wilpon kool-aid but also a blatant acknowledgement that we selectively accuse journos of making up their facts only when it suits our agendae.

Oct 20 2005 05:00 PM

Ooh - MK had a close encounter with Eric Duncan in June. His Little League had a group event in Trenton with the Thunder, and 9 kids got to be on the field for the national anthem - one at each base with a Thunder player. MK was at third base with Eric Duncan. Thus, even though Duncan is an MFY-in-training, the superceding rule is that I can't dis players who have been nice to my kid (and MK reports that Duncan was nice to him).

BTW, I know I posted a photo of MK and Duncan together. I can't find the thread, though. It was some time after June 30 (unfortunately, the Little League doesn't link to the photos anymore). I'll give five cyberbucks to anyone who can find it for me. Thanks.

Edgy DC
Oct 23 2005 12:11 AM

Jeremy Hill has been pulled from the roster, according to Bryan Hoch, and replaced by Henry Owens. Hill apparently has injured his elbow, though I don't know to what extent.

Hill reportedly throws as hard as anybody.

Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 11:12 AM

Met hitters are coming back to earth, but the pitchers have been battered. It's the story of the whole team, with only four current Rafters (leaving out the injured Hill) sporting ERAs under 7.36.

Milledge, despite the injury, has seen more time than any Met batter.



McLane is in the process of just getting noticed as a prospect (great K/BB ratio), so it'll be interesting to see what he comes away with.

Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 11:31 AM
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More chillin'. I swear I've never met anybody who chills so much.

Some useful stuff here for MbtN. Also, a cool biographical detail.

Journal: Milledge well heeled

Everything felt good when I came back from the bruised heel. I decided to take a little time off and take things slow, so I took a couple extra days off to make sure. And then when I did come back (Tuesday), it was 100 percent.

I stole a base in that game and the heel never crossed my mind or bothered me at all. It's totally healed. In today's game, I homered (in the first inning). I'm seeing the ball fine, same as usual.

So I'm chilling with my normal group of guys (Glen Perkins, Denard Span, Reggie Abercrombie and Robert Andino). In the last journal, I mentioned I had previously forgotten Glen. He was happy that I finally did. So everybody's covered.

Everything's good. In fact, we're in the mall right now ... again ... doing some shopping. We're going to go to a fancy restaurant tomorrow, so we had to get something nice to wear. Haven't gotten anything yet, though. But there's still time to answer your emails before the shoe salesman comes back.

Lastings' Mailbag / Send Lastings an email >

I have been hearing rumors that you might be included in a deal for Manny Ramirez. I hope that isn't the case, and that (Mets general manager) Omar (Minaya) is too smart to do that. What are your feelings on being mentioned in trades and coveted by other teams? -- John G.

It's definitely an honor hearing your name come up in connection with players like that. It means I'm doing something right on the field. To be put up with Manny Ramirez, a guy who is going to be in the Hall of Fame, and to be compared to bigger names like that really is an honor.

Your uniform number in the Arizona Fall League is 20. You wore uniform number 23 with the St. Lucie Mets. I am not sure what number you wore with the Binghamton Mets. What is your favorite uniform number? -- Arthur

Probably 00. I just want to do something different than everyone else. So that's the plan, hopefully some day I'll be wearing 00 in the big leagues. I don't even have a backup number.

Big fan of yours. My only question is about your first name, Lastings. I am curious as to where it came from. Is it a family name or does it mean anything? -- Adam

It was because I was the last child, Adam. When I was born, that was it, so that's how it went down. Mom wasn't going to have any more kids, so she came up with it -- Lastings for the last one. It was all Mom. I like my name.

What do you guys do for fun to break up the routine here in Phoenix? -- Scott M.

We go the mall. We just sort of chill at the mall all day. We don't really go to the movies. We don't really get recognized at all. We're little guys, we blend in.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 25 2005 12:12 PM

Good question, Arthur!

There's a story on about Evan McLane today. I'd link it but that site is murder on my crappy outdated OS and lousy connection here.

Oct 25 2005 12:13 PM

No rookie should try to take Mr. Met's number from him.

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 25 2005 12:16 PM

F Mr. Met. He didn't even have a number till a few years ago

Oct 25 2005 12:20 PM

I assume that if were to wear 00 he would be the first to do so in Met history. Who else has ever worn it anywhere? I remember Al Oliver always wore 0 and I seem to remember Rey Ordonez briefly wore it (and maybe Jose Oquendo on the Cards) but Lastings has no O in his name so that justification doesn't work for him.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 25 2005 01:00 PM

If I was a ballplayer, and I wanted a really unique uniform number, I'd pick Q or X or Z or something like that.

Oct 25 2005 01:01 PM

Commissioner's office would probably veto it. Eddie Gaedel, the midget hired by Bill Veeck for one at-bat wore number 1/8.

Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 01:32 PM

There's precedent forr 00. Rick White wore it this year with the Bucs. I'm sure he's not the first. Benito Santiago wore 09, fer crying out loud.

Oct 25 2005 01:57 PM

I don't think the guy from []Mets By The Numbers[/url] will mind if I post these items -

0 - I was just going to sneak this number in with Rey Ordonez (1996-97) in the 10's until it was pointed out that Terry McDaniel wore No. 0 in 1991. Rey-Rey says he switched to 10 from 0 because, "I want to be more than nothing." Oh, he's that. And more.

00 - This unusual number was issued to reclaimation project Tony Clark, who made the team in 2003's spring training. With such a big group in camp when Clark arrived, he was offered the choice of 00 or 88 and he said, "I didn't want to hear any wide-reciever jokes." Clark gave up 00 midseason after being informed by Met fans that those digits belonged to Mr. Met (that's partly accurate. Mr. Met for many years had no number, and despite 40 years in the game, has yet to officially get into a game.

A word about Spring Training numbers: Dwight Gooden donned Number 00 during Spring Training workouts (along with Roger McDowell, who wore 0) in 1989, but both were back in their respective 16 and 42 when the games started counting. John Franco also wore No. 00 during some 1993 workouts (along with 76, 77 and 92). Gooden in 1993 wore 64 during Spring Training -- a tribute to the form he hoped to reacquire when he was assigned 64 during his first Major League Spring Training back in 1984 (it was only so effective).

Edgy DC
Oct 25 2005 04:19 PM

Of course. Tony Clark.

Edgy DC
Oct 26 2005 09:48 AM

October 25: Grand Canyon 10, Phoenix 3

The Rafters continue their offensive onslaught, finally getting their bullpen to hold a lead wtihout too much heartache

PotG: Eric Duncan (Yankees), who went 4-4, including two two-run singles and three runs scored. Duncan also scored once. Other excellent work was turned in by firstbaseman Andy Wilson (Mets, see below), starting pitcher Nick Ungs (Marlins), with five innings of one-run ball), and reliever T.J. Beam (Yankees), with four strikeouts in six batters.

Mets PotG: Andy Wilson, who played first and went 2-5 with a double and a run scored. Chase Lambin also played shortstop and walked twice, scoring both times. Lastings Milledge played centerfield and went 1-5 with a runs scored.

Most Curious Opposing Prospect: Phoenix Devil Dogs thirdbaseman Jonathan Schuerholz. Braves GM Jon Schuerholz would get more cynical criticism for drafting so many players from within his team's home state if he wasn't so damn successful doing it. Let's see if he has some success by drafting from within his living room.

Oct 30 2005 03:30 PM

Better late than never - MK with Eric Duncan at third base in Trenton -

Oct 30 2005 04:23 PM

You guys didn't remember the whole Tony Clark thing? Wow. That little kid made him switch to 52 from 00 because of Mr. Met.

Oct 30 2005 04:24 PM

By the way... my high school played Eric Duncan many times when he was in high school. My GOD could he crush the ball.

Oct 30 2005 05:24 PM

I didn't remember that it was Tony, but I remembered the story well enough that I knew there was something worth looking up.

Oct 31 2005 01:14 PM

Isn't Mike playing in the AFL?
I looked at the league stats in Baseball America, but couldn't find his name. Which team is he on?

Johnny Dickshot
Oct 31 2005 01:39 PM

New York Times today:

October 31, 2005

Mets Can See Their Future, but Can Their Present Wait?

SURPRISE, Ariz., Oct. 26 - His Grand Canyon Rafters are losing, 4-2, when Lastings Milledge strides to the plate with two outs and two runners on base in the bottom of the ninth inning. It hasn't been a good day for him - two flyouts, a groundout and a foul-out - and the late-afternoon shadows creeping over home plate are making it increasingly difficult to see.

The first pitch to Milledge is low. The second is outside. Milledge is expecting a breaking ball, but when a fastball comes hurtling toward the plate, he tilts backward, knees bent at a nearly 90-degree angle, cocks his bat and whips it on a slight upward plane through the zone.

When bat meets ball, the sound stops conversations in mid-sentence. A major league scout sitting behind home plate gushes a "wow" as the ball soars beyond the fence in left-center field, above the bullpen, and lands, finally, on the grass berm, officially a long, long way away.

Rafters 5, Surprise Scorpions 4. Game over.

The home run, in a sense, is merely a tease. Power is not the most alluring element of Milledge's game - not yet, anyway. But on this cloudless Arizona afternoon, it is yet another tantalizing snapshot of a skill that persuaded the Mets to make Milledge their first-round draft pick in 2003.

At 20, often the youngest player on the field during these Arizona Fall League games, Milledge boasts exceptional speed, tremendous outfield range and a frighteningly quick bat. During a showcase event in high school, his throws from the outfield were clocked at 96 miles an hour. He tore through Class A St. Lucie in the first half of last season before being promoted to Class AA Binghamton, where he batted .337 in 193 at-bats. And while Milledge acknowledges that he still needs some polish, Kevin Morgan, the Mets' director for minor league operations, raves about his precociousness between the foul lines.

Milledge, it would seem, is one of those can't-miss prospects. Except, of course, he still can. Even though the Mets project him as a fundamental component to their future - billboards with his face alongside those of José Reyes and David Wright should be ready for 2007 - Milledge is caught squarely in the crosshairs of an organizational predicament. With the World Series over and off-season maneuvering picking up steam, the quandary facing General Manager Omar Minaya as he tries to move the Mets up a notch is whether Milledge could help them more if he were playing somewhere else.

That is, should the Mets hold on to Milledge, a player with a seemingly endless upside, or, bowing to the transitory nature of the sport, package him in a deal in coming weeks that could supply immediate help, perhaps the big bat they need to turn an 83-victory team into a contender?

"If the Mets are looking to trade him, I know 29 teams who would be more than happy to take him off their hands," said a veteran National League scout, who asked that his name not be used because he was commenting on another team's player.

As an organization, the Mets know the risks involved in trading away a No. 1 pick in the hopes of instantly improving the team. They were derided for dealing Scott Kazmir in July 2004, giving up the hard-throwing left-hander who was widely viewed as one of the top pitching prospects in baseball in exchange for the Tampa Bay right-hander Victor Zambrano, who since becoming a Met has been either injured or inconsistent.

Minaya was not with the Mets when Kazmir was traded, so he will not have any explaining to do if Kazmir becomes a major league star. But will all the criticism the Mets have received for the Kazmir deal ultimately make Minaya cautious about trading Milledge? Minaya is not tipping his hand.

"He's always the guy who plays well in the big game," Minaya said of Milledge. "How can you not be pleased to have a guy like him?"

Still, Milledge's name has already come up in trade talks. He was mentioned prominently when the Mets and the Boston Red Sox engaged in discussions last summer that would have sent Manny Ramirez to Queens, and it stands to reason that Milledge's name will come up again this fall and winter as Minaya looks for trade partners.

None of this bothers Milledge. It may not be in his pedigree to worry about things he cannot control. He grew up in Palmetto, Fla., near St. Petersburg, the last of Tony and Linda Milledge's three sons (hence the name Lastings). He was something of a baseball prodigy. He played in the 1997 Little League World Series and in 2001 was named the top 16-year-old player in the country by Baseball America. Both of his older brothers, Greg and Anthony, played minor league baseball. His father, a former minor leaguer, spent more than 25 years as a Florida highway patrolman and expected excellence from his youngest son.

"Lastings knows I don't put up with no jive, I don't put up with no short cuts; that's not who I am," Tony Milledge said in a telephone interview. "There have been a few little scrapes, but he's never really tested me."

But there was trouble in May 2002. A few days after leading his Northside Christian School baseball team to the state finals, Milledge, a 16-year-old junior, was expelled by the school, which said he had engaged in inappropriate behavior with an underage girl.

No charges were filed, and Milledge transferred to Lakewood Ranch High School in nearby Bradenton. It is difficult to determine whether the expulsion and subsequent questions about his character caused Milledge, projected as a top-five pick, to fall to the Mets, who had the No. 12 selection in 2003. During contract negotiations, the Mets were informed of additional allegations about inappropriate behavior with underage girls, and they suspended the talks for 10 days. Those allegations were never substantiated. Still, two years later, Milledge says he feels he will never shake the accusations.

"People will always think what they want to about me, and it's not fair," Milledge said. "It's something that I have to deal with, but I've always kept my nose clean. Everyone has their nicks and falls and bumps and bruises along the way, but the main thing is being out on the field and producing. If you can concentrate on that, you'll be O.K."

Milledge is 6 feet and is 185 pounds. The first things you notice about him are his hands. They're enormous. The Livestrong and Hurricane Katrina relief bracelets that encircle his right wrist seem as if they are straining to break free. He pulls his black socks nearly to his knees, making his legs look deceptively small. He has always had physical gifts, and now, since playing in the minors, he has started breaking some of the few bad habits he carried.

The scout, who said he had seen Milledge play several times in high school and in the Florida State League, said Milledge had improved his plate discipline and would punish a pitcher's mistake. He did not do that before, the scout said, and his developing power projects him as a No. 3 hitter. Until now, Milledge has been a center fielder, but he is playing some left field in Arizona, perhaps to prepare to play alongside the Mets' incumbent center fielder, Carlos Beltran.

The consensus among Mets officials is, so far, so good. Grand Canyon Manager Ken Oberkfell, also the manager for the Mets' Class AAA team in Norfolk, Va., called Milledge a model citizen, and Minaya said he had heard nothing but encouraging reports on Milledge's progress. Milledge also has the built-in safety net of his parents, who bought a camper shortly after Tony Milledge retired so they could follow their son's baseball travels along the East Coast. When Milledge played in 2003 in Columbia, S.C., in what was then the home of a Mets Class A team, the team bus waited for the Milledges before leaving on road trips.

If his knee feels up to it, Tony Milledge will most likely steer the camper toward Binghamton for opening day in 2006.

Although his time in Arizona has accelerated his progress, Milledge needs work before a promotion to Norfolk is even considered. Slowing at third base on a single to right field is not smart baseball, although even in that instance last week, he compensated by turning on the speed and scoring easily.

There is a lot of time to smooth the rough edges before he plays his first major league game, which he hopes will be in Shea Stadium.

Whether it happens in Shea is up to Minaya. It is what he feels, and the trades he makes, and rejects, that will determine Milledge's future.

"All the stuff that I've been through - that's why I think I can handle playing in New York," Milledge said. "That's why I feel I

Oct 31 2005 01:52 PM

]During a showcase event in high school, his throws from the outfield were clocked at 96 miles an hour.

Then why are they playing him in left field?
You'd think if they don't see him as a centerfielder because Beltran's there, they would be playing him in right with an arm like that.


Oct 31 2005 01:56 PM

I was thinking the same thing, MF. Even if they viewed Diaz as a future regular, wouldn't he be the more logical choice for LF?

And it's not like we have any other OF prospects tearing it up in the minors . . .

Frayed Knot
Oct 31 2005 02:00 PM

]There is a lot of time to smooth the rough edges before he plays his first major league game, which he hopes will be in Shea Stadium.

"All the stuff that I've been through - that's why I think I can handle playing in New York," Milledge said. "That's why I feel I

He's gotta learn to finish his sentences too.

P.S. About leftfield;
remember that in the AFL you're "sharing" the team with several other orgs. It's possible that some other - maybe more experienced - players have dibs on RF and/or CF.
It's been mentioned in the past that he has the arm to handle RF if necc.

Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 02:20 PM
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]Then why are they playing him in left field?

Who? Generally, he's been in center everywhere he's been. He expressed an understanding that there were multiple centerfielders on the Rafters and he wouldn't always play there, but I think he's played there more than anyone else.

Oct 31 2005 02:23 PM

You may be right. But the article asid he has ben playing "some" left.
I was just wondering why, if he's going to play "some" other outfield position, why it isn't right.


Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 02:55 PM

Because the manager has obligations to the interests of prospects of five different teams.

The chart below includes today's already posted linuep. Also please consider that Milledge missed a handful of games with a minor heel injury.

Grand Canyon
Player Appearances by Position
Span 8
Ambercrombie 5
Mahar 5
Milledge 5
Milledge 10
Span 8
Ambercrombie 5
Mahar 2
Sardinha 18
Ambercrombie 5
Moses 5
Lambin 3
Mahar 3
Meyer 3
Ambercrombie 2
Span 2
Jones 1
Milledge 1
Nikeas 1
Parrish 1
Sardinha 1

Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 03:10 PM

We should have a contest to see who can find athe first feature article about Milledge which doesn't mention his amazing record of being the first high school jock ever to get past first base with a girl.

Here's some material I can use:

]His father, a former minor leaguer, spent more than 25 years as a Florida highway patrolman and expected excellence from his youngest son.

"Lastings knows I don't put up with no jive, I don't put up with no short cuts; that's not who I am," Tony Milledge said in a telephone interview. "There have been a few little scrapes, but he's never really tested me."

Look, dig this

Papa didn`t cuss
He didn`t raise a whole lotta fuss
But when we did wrong
Papa beat the hell out of us

Oct 31 2005 03:13 PM

Thanks, Edgy.

I miss the "good old days" of the AFL, where there were prospects of two (maybe three) MLB teams on each roster. If there are many more MLB teams (such as five) represented on each roster, it could lead to some interesting decisions on the part of the managers. The fewer teams, the more clout each MLB team would have in directing playing time/ position for each of its prospects.
I didn't know the affiliations of those other two who have been playing right field.


Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 03:22 PM

Sardinha is a Yankee prospect. Ambercrombie toils in the Marlin system.

Today's game is already begun. Milledge, batting second, was hit by a pitch from the arm of Matt Peterson and then scored on a triple by Eric Duncan. Yanks and Mets working together.

Oct 31 2005 03:23 PM

I hope they do not trade Milledge.

Definitely a plus to see his father and mother are involved. His father is a cop and keeping a watchful eye - thats a positive thing - especially since he is geared for the prime time at such a young age.

They should start him in AAA this year.

As a side note, if Beane is entertaining offers for Zito this winter, the Mets should make a competitive offer.

Yancy Street Gang
Oct 31 2005 03:27 PM

This talk about how involved his parents are remind me of Dan and Ella Gooden. We heard a lot about how they wouldn't let any kid of theirs get into any trouble. And we know how that turned out.

Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 03:35 PM
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A subtle difference is that, subsequently, we found out that Dwight was in a lot of trouble in high school that the media didn't bother reporting.

So, as tedious of this over-reporting is of whatever Milledge's sexual transgression was, it beats the alternative of a whitewash.

I think Dwight's parents were older and it was easy for him to hoodwink them.

For what it's worth --- and taking race somewhat out of the equation --- we also received a lot of publicity about what fine peeps the Wrights were/are. Outranking a highway patrolman, Rhon Wright is the captain of vice narcotics in Norfolk, VA.. It would be almost impressive if David hoodwinked him.

Edgy DC
Oct 31 2005 05:27 PM

The Rafters hold on to win 6-3. Lastings Milledge getting plunked and scoring the initial run is the lone contribution of Met prospects in the game. He went on to fan twice and ground into a double play.

I'm giving Duncan --- 2-4 with that RBI triple and two runs scored --- the player of the game.

Edgy DC
Nov 02 2005 01:46 PM

November 1: Wrap / Box

In an All Souls Day war of attrition, the Grand Canyon Rafters battled the Mesa Solar Sox to a 1-1 tie after eleven innings. The lone Rafter run was driven in by Lastings Milledge on a sacrifice fly.

There should be no ties in baseball. We should weep as a nation when one is declared.

Player of the Game: Twins prospect Travis Bowyer, who pitched the last two innings, striking out three, and giving up just one hit.

Mets Player of the Game: Evan McLane, who had perhaps the best outing of a sorry fall for Mets pitchers, starting and going five innings, scattering eight hits but yielding only one run. Henry Owens, who hung up a 3.15 ERA in 54.1 innings at St. Lucie this season, also threw two scoreless innings.

Edgy DC
Nov 03 2005 01:52 PM

November 2: Wrap / Box

The Rafters keep future Mets out of the lineup and pay the price with an 8-4 loss to the Mesa Solar Sox.

PotG: Marlins prospect Josh Wilson --- who you may remember as one of the under-ripe infielders who batted behind Dontrelle Willis against the Mets --- hit a two-run homer from the ninth batting slot. Also notable was Yankee farmhand Bronson Sardinha (2-5, with a triple) and Matt Smith, another gestating Yankee, who threw two scoreless.

Mets PotG: Any Wilson was the only future Met on the field. He went 1-4, caught, and gave up two steals.

Edgy DC
Nov 06 2005 01:06 PM

Lastings is excited to chill with Davey Johnson some more.

Milledge adjusting well

Lastings Milledge says that he's seeing the ball better than before.
Hi everyone. The Arizona Fall League season is winding down, and even though the Grand Canyon Rafters are out of it, it's not real hard to motivate myself every day. You win and you lose, but the biggest thing is that you produce. Every day, you should be motivating yourself to do well for yourself.

I've had some multi-hit games; I think I'm seeing the ball a bit better. I think what I've really learned from the AFL is how to play day games. I kind of struggled with that during the season. Now I'm learning how to adjust to getting up earlier and playing earlier.

It means a lot to me to represent the United States in the upcoming Olympic qualifier in Phoenix. I'm real excited to play. Having played for Team USA four times, I feel more comfortable. I think I sort of know what it's going to be like to play and how I have to produce.

It's still baseball. The only thing different is the guys have another name on their shirt and are representing their country. It's different than wearing a Mets jersey. There I have to represent an organization. But here I'll represent a country. It's a little bit bigger.

Every game's important. We have to come out with a no-lose attitude and that we're going to beat everybody.

Lastings' Mailbag / Send Lastings an e-mail >

What are your thoughts on fellow NY'er Eric Duncan?
-- Ice Berg, N.Y.

He's a good player. I played with him in the All-American High School Game in 2003, so we've known each other for a while. He's always been a good left-handed hitting third baseman. He'll continue to be good some day in the bigs.

Can you please give some ideas or drills into improving my first step or like a weight training program to help improve my speed. I know you run fast and that is the reason why I would like you to help me out.
-- Landy

It's all about the strength shoes, Landy. That's what I did. And then they have the workouts that come with them -- agility drills. That's pretty much how I got my speed.

My son had a troublesome heel issue, and I would like to know what kind of rehab you have done to overcome it and what sort of exercise as a preventive measure to keep it from coming back.
-- Max

Sorry, Max, but it's just a thing you have to let heal. There's not anything you can really do to rehab. You just have to take time off and let it heal.

What are your plans for the winter? Do you cool down with hardball ... or is it more training/workouts? Finally, do you follow other sports?
-- Sam

I'll be catching up on football, I like the Dallas Cowboys. I'm also moving into a new home in Tampa. Then I'll just be doing regular stuff like workouts. It's been a lot of baseball this year, but I'll take some time for other things.

Edgy DC
Nov 06 2005 01:38 PM

November 5: Wrap / Box

In a batters' battle, Brandon Wood homered for the Surprise... again. Wood's 13th homer is an AFL record, this time taking Nick Ungs deep on an 0-2 pitch. He's positively abused Grand Canyon and, at this point, he's a man playing with boys. And girls. He should be forced to play with weighted shoes or two beers in him or something.

PotG: Yankee prospect Tony Sardinha went 3-5 with a homer, two runs scored, and an RBI. He narrowly edges DH Kevin Mahar (Rangers), who went 2-3 with a double, 3 RBI and two runs scored, as well as...

Mets PotG: Lastings Milledge, who went 2-4 with a walk, a triple a run scored and four --- count 'em --- four RBI.

The porous effort by the pitching staff was contributed to by the Mets' Henry Owens, who yielded three runs in his two-inning stint. Andy Wilson caught nine long innings and went 1-4 with a double and a run scored, despite being picked off. I guess he got picked but was safe on an error.

Basically the only Rafter who didn't add to the attack was Eric Duncan, who went 0-5 and, after having a great fall, is making the grudge match with Lastings Milledge look a little more interesting.


Pretty big for Duncan to have that .734 slugging percentage after going 0-5.

Nov 06 2005 03:45 PM

I will say it again. Brandon Wood is going to be a star.

Edgy DC
Nov 06 2005 04:17 PM

Pretty safe bet (as safe as a prospect bet can be, anyhow) at this point.

Frayed Knot
Nov 08 2005 10:05 AM

Lastings Milledge; hard working boy

Yancy Street Gang
Nov 08 2005 10:29 AM

Hard workin' boy
Hard workin' boy
Don't you be tradin' him
If you do, you'll make us cry

This song parody stuff is making me crazy.

Nov 11 2005 01:24 PM

Milledge's final line:
94 AB, .330 AVG/.402 OBP/.574 SLG/.976 OPS, 17 K, 10 BB, 7 SB, 2 CS

Let's keep this one.

Nov 11 2005 01:45 PM

Milledge = keeper.

Nov 11 2005 02:03 PM

Bye-bye Cameron Diaz, hello Lastings.

Nov 11 2005 02:19 PM

Valadius wrote:
Bye-bye Cameron Diaz, hello Lastings.

I like it. Maybe not at the start of this year, but by 2007, count me in.

I mean, Milledge was one of the youngest guys in the AFL this year, and he was solid across the board--tied for 16th in BA, 14th in SLG, 14th in OBP, tied for 3rd in steals, and 18th in BB. I think he was 12th in OPS.

I would consider him as close to a sure thing as Joe Mauer was.

Edgy DC
Nov 11 2005 04:58 PM

Let's not sell anybody down the river yet.