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Worst Met Manager of all time?
Wes Westrum 1 votes
Dallas Green 11 votes
Joe Frazier 0 votes
Casey 1 votes

Sep 30 2005 03:13 PM

Worst manager?

Sep 30 2005 03:25 PM

I went for Wes Westrum because of particular animosity I had for him back then, although knowing full well that the real answer is Dallas Green.

Sep 30 2005 03:50 PM

Dallas Green. The others may have been incept, but Green supplemented his ineptitude with a knack for destroying young players' psyches and young pitchers' arms.

Willets Point
Sep 30 2005 03:57 PM

Where's the love (or lack thereof) for Jeff Torborg?

Yancy Street Gang
Sep 30 2005 04:17 PM

Oh, geez, I had blocked out all memory of Torborg.

If he were I choice, I might very well have gone with him.

Bud Harrelson was pretty bad, too.

Sep 30 2005 04:52 PM

Write in for Torborg.

Torborg was terrible all-around. You always felt he was being out-thought and the players didn't love him.

Johnny Dickshot
Sep 30 2005 05:07 PM

I think Torberg was especially poor. Had some talent, got nothing from it, didn;t get along with the players, fans or newspapermen very well.

I know its popular to bash Green for shredding young arms but just about every skipper since then has been criticzed by the same people for being too wussy to even use young guys.

And Green's memory is also clouded because he stepped down right around the time that 100+ pitch-counts became synonymous with "torture," even though in years since, BP's "pitcher abuse points" stats have been widely discredited.

I'm not saying Green deserves a total pass for bad things that happened on his watch; just that Torberg was worse and by a longshot.

Edgy DC
Sep 30 2005 05:10 PM

Popular opinion is that Harrelson was out of his depth as manager, but he had himself a .529 winning percentage, good for third in Met history.

It was easy enough to be disappointed that his Mets weren't Davey Johnson's Mets (although they were losing for Davey at the time). They certainly didn't rebound under Harrelson's successors.

It's not like Harrelson took the job and came up with the dumb idea to replace Daryl Boston in center with Vince Coleman and Darryl Strawberry in right with Hubie Brooks.

Sep 30 2005 05:43 PM

Maybe if Casey had managed Reyes, the message of "butcher boy" (meaning chop down on the ball and run like Hell) would have sunk in. And Reyes would be the next Ichiro.


Sep 30 2005 06:51 PM

Write in for Torborg...

Sep 30 2005 07:18 PM

Art Howe.

I also like the way Casey makes both the bestest and worstest polls-- sorta like the Miami Dolphins recently cracking the top five for best and worst uniforms in the NFL

Sep 30 2005 07:20 PM


Sep 30 2005 09:19 PM

This is a tuffer call that calling the best.
I went with Green cuz he's up there, but Torborg and BuddyH are viable choices. All three had the tools with which to win, and all found new and novel ways to lose.

Bamburger was pretty bad but he didnt have much to work with.
Howe was a disappointing mismatch for NY and the Wilpons were too into the mix during those years.

Sep 30 2005 10:05 PM

Torborg and Howe are both above the guys you listed to me. they were both given alot more to work with than the guys on the list.

Edgy DC
Sep 30 2005 11:51 PM

I'd still like to hear the explicit case for Bud Harrelson as worst.

I guess Jefferies and Magadan might not have stagnated under another manager, but I think he was largely in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Oct 01 2005 09:06 AM

Torre was bad, Bamberger was bad, Howe was bad.

Let's go with Torre just to bring him down to earth.