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UMDB Suggestion: All-Time opponent Interactive Stats

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 18 2005 05:47 PM

Hey Yance,

I know this might mean more work for you guys, but ever thought of doing an interactive (or just listing of top 10 or 20) stats for opponents against the Mets?

Looking at the KTE with the Braves and Seawolf mentioned Larry's record against the Mets and I love to see where he ranks on the all time lists

Plus its good to help better define actual "Met Killers" as my "definition" is anyone who does well against a certain team/player that completely superceeds his actual totals

I.e. Joe McEwing and Randy Johnson, or Tommy Hutton and Tom Seaver

Just a thought

Steve

Edgy DC
Sep 18 2005 06:36 PM

He's got it.

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 18 2005 06:51 PM

I meant a complation of stats amongst the leaders against the Mets, (like the regular interactive stats) not a single guy's record

Ugh, could you have picked someone else other than Larry, do not want to think about him right now. Would prefer not to think about Larry untill next Spring.

Steve

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2005 07:30 PM

Your suggestion has been on my to-do list for a while. I was waiting until I had ALL the box scores, going back to 1962, and that didn't happen until earlier this year. Unfortunately, I've been unable to keep up with the 2005 box scores thanks to some fool at USA Today.

Anyway, through June 30, Chipper's 33 homers against the Mets puts him in a tie for 9th place.

We can make this a guessing game. (Stats are through June 30, 2005.)

Six of the eight guys ahead of Chipper are in the Hall of Fame, including the first five.

1. ________________ 60
2. ________________ 49
3. ________________ 48
4. ________________ 45
5. ________________ 39
6. ________________ 36
7. ________________ 35
8. ________________ 34
9. ________________ 33
9. Chipper Jones 33
11. Dale Murphy 32
12. Joe Torre 30
12. Tony Perez 30
14. Gary Sheffield 29
15. Andres Galarrago 28
15. Sammy Sosa 28
15. Pat Burrell 28
15. Jimmy Wynn 28
15. Lee May 28

Rockin' Doc
Sep 18 2005 07:35 PM

I'd guess Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Johnny Bench, and Hank Aaron off the top of my head.

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 18 2005 07:40 PM

Rockin' Doc wrote:
I'd guess Willie Stargell, Mike Schmidt, Johnny Bench, and Hank Aaron off the top of my head.


Stargell, Schmidt, Bench,

Aaron seems too easy, I'll say Tony Perez, Ernie Banks and Willie McCovey are the other HOFers on the list and the non-HOFers...

Barry Bonds probably...and...

Either Terry Pendleton or Jack Clark

Steve

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2005 07:41 PM

1. Willie Stargell 60
2. Mike Schmidt 49
3. ________________ 48
4. Hank Aaron 45
5. ________________ 39
6. ________________ 36
7. ________________ 35
8. ________________ 34
9. ________________ 33
9. Chipper Jones 33

No Johnny Bench in the top ten.

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 18 2005 07:48 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
1. Willie Stargell 60
2. Mike Schmidt 49
3. ________________ 48
4. Hank Aaron 45
5. ________________ 39
6. ________________ 36
7. ________________ 35
8. ________________ 34
9. ________________ 33
9. Chipper Jones 33

No Johnny Bench in the top ten.


And no Bonds, McCovey, Perez, ect either...

Hmmm, Dave Kingman...

Running out of HOFers... Billy Williams, Clemente not a HR guy, eh...Mays then and...Cepeda? Throw Gary Carter into that hopper as well

The non HOFers along with Kong...Hmmm... Greg Luzinski...Andre Dawson

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2005 07:52 PM

1. Willie Stargell 60
2. Mike Schmidt 49
3. Willie McCovey 48
4. Hank Aaron 45
5. Willie Mays 39
6. Andre Dawson 36
7. Barry Bonds 35
8. Billy Williams 34
9. ________________ 33
9. Chipper Jones 33

Edgy DC
Sep 18 2005 08:05 PM

Matthews?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 18 2005 08:08 PM

Eddie or Gary?

Not that it matters; it's not either of them.

DocTee
Sep 18 2005 08:10 PM

Orlando Cepeda?

DocTee
Sep 18 2005 08:18 PM

Dale Murphy...

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 18 2005 08:22 PM

What era are we talking with the last guy?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 06:59 AM

I first became a baseball fan in 1971, and he was a well-known active player that year.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 07:40 AM

I'm looking for a power hitting Hall-of-Famer who played primarily in the NL and was well-known and active in 1971. That seems to imply he was at the end of his run then and did most of his damage in the sixties, but he could have been on the way up.

But if he was from the seventies, he would have likely been on an NL East team. How many Hall of Fame sluggers were active and known in 1971 and went on to have a solid seveties career in the NL East? So I'm sticking with the sixties.

Cepeda and Clemente have been guessed.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 07:45 AM

Joe Morgan?

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 07:58 AM

Richie (aka Dick) Allen?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 08:04 AM

Yep, Dick Allen.

The Hall-of-Famers were already named. The one remaining guy was a non Cooperstowner.


Do we want to play this game again with another category? I have all the standard batting and pitching categories available.

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 08:23 AM

What kind of a ridiculous question is that? Of course, we'd play.

Frayed Knot
Sep 19 2005 08:28 AM

McCovey has the best [u:eb02efcaf6]HR rate[/u:eb02efcaf6] of that group: 1 HR in each 12.98 ABs vs NYM.
Stargell was next, better than Aaron, Allen & then Chipper. Dawson (28.8) and Bonds had the worst, relying more on longevity than true "Met killing".

Pat Burrell, btw, is hitting them at a better rate than any of those guys (12.14) and is 5 HRs from joining the top 10.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:05 AM

Damn, I was thinking Allen, but I couldn't count.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:11 AM

One of the benefits of keeping Dave Kingman employed was that he crushed the Mets even more as an opponent than as a teammate. He leaves behind McCovey and Burrell by homering every 11.35 at-bats against the Mets, but doesn't make the list because he only had 75 games against them.

Double his numbers, to get something like a full season, and you're looking at a monstrous MVP year.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 09:16 AM

That's some slugging percentage that Kingman put up against the Mets in 1980.

Let's take a look at stolen bases by opponents:

1. ________________ 97
2. ________________ 77
3. ________________ 64
4. ________________ 60
5. ________________ 55
6. ________________ 54
7. ________________ 49
8. ________________ 46
8. ________________ 46
10. _______________ 45
11. _______________ 44
12. _______________ 41
13. _______________ 39
14. _______________ 37
15. _______________ 35
15. _______________ 35
16. _______________ 34
18. _______________ 33
18. _______________ 33

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:26 AM

Here's my top eleven:

Vince Coleman
Lou Brock
Tim Raines
Maury Wills
Willie McGee
Omar Moreno
Ozzie Smith
Ryne Sandberg
Barry Bonds
Andre Dawson
Joe Morgan
Ron LeFlore

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 09:28 AM

Davey Lopes
Marquis Grissom

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:46 AM

We've got 13 on the board, so let me throw up seven more to give us a round twenty.

Castillo
Dernier
Butler
Samuel
Pendleton
Gary Maddox
Von Hayes

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 09:48 AM

Lonnie Smith

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:50 AM

Yup.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 09:54 AM

Well, Ron LeFlore sure was wrong.

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 10:01 AM

I'm also thinking Gene Richards.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 10:08 AM

Lots of correct guesses so far:

1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. ________________ 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. _______________ 44
12. _______________ 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. _______________ 33
18. _______________ 33



These guys, though, don't make the list:

Willie McGee
Andre Dawson
Marquis Grissom
Ron LeFlore
Dernier
Pendleton
Gary Maddox
Von Hayes
Gene Richards

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 10:14 AM

Cesar Cedeno (the fastest Cedeno of them all)

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 10:23 AM

I got my guesses in, so I'll back off, but I'm pretty egg-faced to have missed number five.

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 10:49 AM

Seems to be just me and Edgy playing this game but I'll throw in Bobby Bonds.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:08 AM

No to Bobby Bonds.


1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. ________________ 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. _______________ 44
12. _______________ 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. Cesar Cedeno 33
18. _______________ 33

Valadius
Sep 19 2005 11:10 AM

Craig Biggio
Eric Young
Barry Larkin

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:12 AM

Young: no. Biggio: no. Larkin: yes.

1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. ________________ 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. _______________ 44
12. _______________ 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. Cesar Cedeno 33
18. Barry Larkin 33

Three blanks remain. The most tantalizing one is the fifth spot. I doubt that I would have guessed it myself.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 11:14 AM

Jumping back in.

Ivan DeJesus.
Rennie Stennett.
Frank Taveras.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:17 AM

No.
No.
No.

Keep thinking Pirates and you'll get the number 12 guy.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 11:20 AM

Are you sure DeJesus is wrong? I had a good feeling about him.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:25 AM

He's a near miss, with 31.

Valadius
Sep 19 2005 11:29 AM

Delino DeShields. He has to be up there.

Whatever happened to him, anyway?

Valadius
Sep 19 2005 11:33 AM

Ooh, ooh, the Davises.

Willie Davis
Eric Davis

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:35 AM

Very good. We're still missing the Pirate in the 12th spot that I hinted at.

The guy with 55 had 31 of them in the 1960's.

1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. ________________ 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. Delino DeShields 44
12. _______________ 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. Cesar Cedeno 33
18. Barry Larkin 33

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 11:56 AM

Andy Van Slyke.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 11:58 AM

DING!

1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. ________________ 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. Delino DeShields 44
12. Andy Van Slyke 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. Cesar Cedeno 33
18. Barry Larkin 33

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 12:08 PM

Jose Cruz (sr.)?
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Elster88
Sep 19 2005 12:09 PM

]I've been unable to keep up with the 2005 box scores thanks to some fool at USA Today.


Is there a story behind this?
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 12:20 PM

Nope, not Jose Cruz.

Is there a story? Probably, but I don't know it. (At least, I don't know who the fool is.)

USA Today had been carrying nice, accurate, text-only, box scores from SportsTicker on their web site. These box scores were easy for me to parse (via a magic spreadsheet) into the UMDB database tables. On July 1 they switched to HTML. I haven't taken the time to revise the magic spreadsheet. Parsing HTML is far more complicated. So the box scores, for now, stop at June 30.

If anybody knows of a site that carries the SportsTicker box scores, I'd love to know about it. I looked myself, but couldn't find any. I even asked a contact at Sports Ticker and he didn't know of any other sites that carried them.

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 01:08 PM

The last guy has been killing me. I've started cheating to look for him, but I can't find it.
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Frayed Knot
Sep 19 2005 01:18 PM

Otis Nixon

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 01:19 PM

Nope.

We do know that 31 of his 55 were in the sixties.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 01:19 PM

Outfielder. Played the vast majority of his 18-year career in the National League. Finished in the AL and stole his last base at the age of 39.

Played in three World Series.

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 01:44 PM

Valadius already guessed him.
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Elster88
Sep 19 2005 01:46 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 19 2005 01:58 PM

I like these games. Do some pitching categories. And make up some rules to slow down guessing a little bit, lol.
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 01:47 PM

I'll do a pitching category after we finish the stolen bases.

Mister Five is still waiting to be identified.

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 01:48 PM

How can it not be Willie Davis?

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 01:51 PM



1. Lou Brock 97
2. Tim Raines 77
3. Vince Coleman 64
4. Joe Morgan 60
5. Willie Davis 55
6. Maury Wills 54
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45
11. Delino DeShields 44
12. Andy Van Slyke 41
13. Ryne Sandberg 39
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Juan Samuel 35
15. Lonnie Smith 35
16. Luis Castillo 34
18. Cesar Cedeno 33
18. Barry Larkin 33

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 01:53 PM

Yancy Street Gang wrote:
I'll do a pitching category after we finish the stolen bases.

Mister Five is still waiting to be identified.


Valadius guessed him a little ways back.

OE: Oops, beat me to it.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 01:58 PM

Oops to me, too. I didn't see the Willie and Eric Davis post.

Sorry about that.

Let's try wins by an opposing pitcher. And to slow it down, let's limit our guesses to three pitchers each, until you learn whether your guess is right or wrong.

1 ______________ 34
2 ______________ 30
3 ______________ 28
4 ______________ 26
5 ______________ 25
6 ______________ 24
7 ______________ 22
8 ______________ 21
9 ______________ 21
10 _____________ 19
11 _____________ 18
11 _____________ 18
13 _____________ 17
13 _____________ 17
13 _____________ 17
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 02:00 PM

Greg Maddux, Glavine, Hershiser
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sharpie
Sep 19 2005 02:01 PM

Marichal, Gibson, Sutton

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 02:05 PM

Leading Anti-Met Thieves by Primary Team

Dodgers (4)
5. Willie Davis 55
6. Maury Wills 54
8. Brett Butler 46
10. Davey Lopes 45

Cardinals (4)
1. Lou Brock 97
3. Vince Coleman 64
14. Ozzie Smith 37
15. Lonnie Smith 35

Pirates (3)
7. Omar Moreno 49
8. Barry Bonds 46
12. Andy Van Slyke 41

Expos (2)
2. Tim Raines 77
11. Delino DeShields 44

Reds (2)
4. Joe Morgan 60
18. Barry Larkin 33

Cubs (1)
13. Ryne Sandberg 39

Phillies (1)
15. Juan Samuel 35

Marlins (1)
16. Luis Castillo 34

Astros (1)
18. Cesar Cedeno 33

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 02:06 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 19 2005 02:10 PM

P. Niekro, Carlton, Koufax

Valadius
Sep 19 2005 02:08 PM

Jenkins, Drysdale, Bunning

On edit: damn you Edgy.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:18 PM

No Hershiser.

1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 ______________ 22
8 ______________ 21
9 ______________ 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 _____________ 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 _____________ 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16

MFS62
Sep 19 2005 02:26 PM

Larry (p'tui) Jackson
Mike Krukow - It still galls me that Ralph Kiner likes the guy and manages to get the director to show him (broadcasting for SF) on Met telecasts.

Later

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 02:28 PM

Rick Reuschel
Claude Osteen

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:29 PM

1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 ______________ 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 _____________ 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 02:31 PM

John Smoltz

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:32 PM

No Reuschel. No Smoltz. Yes Osteen.


1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 ______________ 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 _____________ 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 _____________ 16
16 _____________ 16

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 02:36 PM

Denny Martinez

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:38 PM

Elster88 wrote:
Denny Martinez


Nope.

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 02:50 PM

Bob F. Knepper
Mario F. Soto

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 02:51 PM

John F. Smiley, Doug F. Drabek, Steve F. Rogers
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sharpie
Sep 19 2005 02:54 PM

Burt F. Hooton
Jerry F. Reuss

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:55 PM

Soto no.

Knepper yes.


1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 ______________ 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 _____________ 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 Bob Knepper 16
16 _____________ 16



Two of the remaining four were Phillies. One of the non-Phillies was before my time. For the fourth guy, my strongest memory of him is him pitching against the Phillies in Veterans Stadium.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 02:56 PM

No Smiley. No Drabek. No Rogers. No Reuss.

Yes to Hooton.

1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 Burt Hooton 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 _____________ 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 Bob Knepper 16
16 _____________ 16

MFS62
Sep 19 2005 03:06 PM

Larry Dierker

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 03:07 PM

Rick Wise

Elster88
Sep 19 2005 03:36 PM

I'm bad at this game. I'm hoping some of my wrong guesses were close. I was sure at least one of them got 16.
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Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 04:56 PM

No Dierker. Yes Wise.

1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 Burt Hooton 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 Rick Wise 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 Bob Knepper 16
16 _____________ 16

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 04:58 PM

That leaves the Phillie (he played for other teams, too) and the guy who was before my time, at least as a National Leaguer. (Remember, I signed on as a baseball fan in 1971.)

Edgy DC
Sep 19 2005 05:03 PM

A Phil from the sixties who wasn't Carlton and wasn't Bunning.

Chris Short.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 05:44 PM

Nope.

You misunderstood. The Phillie wasn't the guy from the 60's.

The Phillie was active in the 80's.

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 19 2005 06:27 PM

Guy before Yance's time in the NL...

Hmmm, Gaylord Perry?

mlbaseballtalk
Sep 19 2005 06:42 PM

Well Phillie from the 80's aint a former Met, non of the MetPhils would really rank on the list...

Trying to cross reference classic postseason games at the Vet, can't seem to come up with Ex-Phils on anyone's staff that would be prolific in beating the Mets...

seawolf17
Sep 19 2005 06:46 PM

John Denny? He played a long time, and was a Phil in the 80's.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 19 2005 07:17 PM

John Denny is the Phillie.

And no, Gaylord Perry wasn't before my time. I wish I was that young.

This guy we're looking for got all his wins as a member of the same team. He last pitched in 1971, but that was in the American League. HIs last win against the Mets was in 1969.



1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 Burt Hooton 21
10 _____________ 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 Rick Wise 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 Bob Knepper 16
16 John Denny 16

Nymr83
Sep 19 2005 08:00 PM

i'm suprised Schilling didnt make that list...i'll guess that the still open spot is Jim Bunning?

Valadius
Sep 19 2005 08:45 PM

Bunning's on the list already.

sharpie
Sep 19 2005 08:50 PM

Gotta be Jim Maloney.

Nymr83
Sep 19 2005 09:17 PM

whoops.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 07:33 AM

Very good, sharpie. Jim Maloney it is.

1 Greg Maddux 34
2 Steve Carlton 30
3 Bob Gibson 28
4 Juan Marichal 26
5 Phil Niekro 25
6 Don Drysdale 24
7 Mike Krukow 22
8 Larry Jackson 21
9 Burt Hooton 21
10 Jim Maloney 19
11 Don Sutton 18
11 Jim Bunning 18
13 Sandy Koufax 17
13 Ferguson Jenkins 17
13 Rick Wise 17
16 Tom Glavine 16
16 Claude Osteen 16
16 Bob Knepper 16
16 John Denny 16

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:05 AM

Let's do... losses!

Losses losses bo-bosses
Banana fana fo-fosses
Fee fi mo mosses
Losses!


1. ___________ 36
2. ___________ 25
3. ___________ 21
4. ___________ 16
4. ___________ 16
6. ___________ 15
6. ___________ 15
8. ___________ 14
8. ___________ 14
8. ___________ 14
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

There will be some of the sames names as with wins, and some new ones.

Make only three guesses at a time, please.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 09:08 AM

Reuschel
Phil Niekro
Rick Mahler

Elster88
Sep 20 2005 09:13 AM

John Smoltz, Greg Maddux, Steve Rogers
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MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:18 AM

El Presidente

I remember the Mets hung some ugly losses on Pirate closer ElRoy Face early on, but I don't think he hung around long enough to be high on this list.

I'll guess Maloney in here, too. He and Al Jackson engaged in some classic duels, with "Little Al" holding his own pretty well.

Dave Guisti.
Gary Nolan
Bob Friend

Later

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 09:18 AM

Don Sutton
Kevin Gross
Chris Short

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:19 AM

No Smoltz. No Mahler.

1. ___________ 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. ___________ 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. ___________ 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. ___________ 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:21 AM

MFS62 wrote:
El Presidente

I remember the Mets hung some ugly losses on Pirate closer ElRoy Face early on, but I don't think he hung around long enough to be high on this list.

I'll guess Maloney in here, too. He and Al Jackson engaged in some classic duels, with "Little Al" holding his own pretty well.

Dave Guisti.
Gary Nolan
Bob Friend

Later


Who's El Presidente?

No Guisti. No Nolan. No Friend. No Maloney either.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:23 AM

sharpie wrote:
Don Sutton
Kevin Gross
Chris Short


Good guesses, but none of them made the list.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:23 AM

El Presidente = Dennis Martinez

Ray Sadecki
Woody Fryman

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:24 AM

MFS62 wrote:
El Presidente = Dennis Martinez
Ray Sadecki
Woody Fryman


No.
No.
No.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 09:25 AM

Ooooh. Kevin Gross. Good one.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 09:25 AM

Steve Carlton
Jerry Reuss
Jose DeLeon

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:27 AM

Whoa! Sharpie gets numbers 1 and 3.

DeLeon is a miss, though.

1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. ___________ 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. ___________ 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:28 AM

Vern Law?

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 09:29 AM

Impressed that Mets had a winning record against Carlton - prolly not too many other clubs could say the same.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 09:31 AM

I was disappointed that the Mahler guess was wrong, so I looked him up.

Rick went 2-12 vs. the Mets, and Mickey (who came first, while the Mets were very bad) went 0-5.

The Mahler family is 2-17 vs. the Mets. Let's hope some of their sons are in the Brave system now.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:31 AM

Doug Drabek?
Charlie Hough?
Jim Perry?

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:33 AM

MFS62 wrote:
Doug Drabek?
Charlie Hough?
Jim Perry?


No. No. No. And Law is a no, too.

Don't give up, '62. You'll get one sooner or later.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:34 AM

I'm losing my edge.
Hey, speaking of families, what about Joe Niekro?

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:36 AM

No, but keep thinking families.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 09:36 AM

John Candeleria
Charlie Lea
Larry McWilliams

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:40 AM

No Candy or Lea, but yes to McWilliams. He was my guess for being the last one guessed. Guess I was wrong. Good going.

1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. ___________ 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. ___________ 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:41 AM

Lindy McDaniel

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:43 AM

No Lindy.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 09:43 AM

Tom Browning

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 09:44 AM

Bob Welch
Burt Hooten
Bill Hands

You got me stalled on "Family" I know I'll kick myself.

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:49 AM

No Welsh. No Hands. (Look ma!) No Browning.

Yes, though, to Hooton!

62 gets on the scoreboard.


1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. ___________ 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 09:54 AM

Livan Hernandez

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 09:57 AM

No.

In fact, none of the remaining names are active. The last time one of these guys pitched against the Mets was in 1997.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 10:03 AM

Bill Gullickson
Zane Smith

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 10:05 AM

Ramon Martinez

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:12 AM

MFS62 wrote:
Bill Gullickson
Zane Smith


Nope. Nope. And not Ramon Martinez either.

Maybe it's time for some clues.

Seven names remaining:

  • There are two guys who share the same last name, but they're not related.
  • There's another who's dead at the present time. (He died earlier this year.)
  • One whose brother was also a big leaguer, but not as successful.
  • Another started and ended his career with the same NL team, but spent the bulk of the middle of his career with another NL team.
  • Another pitched for only one team in a career that spanned three decades.
  • And the last guy is a Cy Young winner who never pitched in the post season.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 11:18 AM

Randy Jones

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:20 AM

Nope, not Randy.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 11:21 AM

Rick Sutcliffe

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 11:29 AM

Stan williams
Don wilson

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:31 AM

Not Williams. Not Wilson. Not Sutcliffe.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 11:32 AM

Mark Davis. (This CYA guy is killing me)

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:33 AM

Not Mark Davis.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 11:34 AM

Blank stare,
but I think we may have a winner with Mark Davis.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 11:39 AM

Ferguson Jenkins.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:43 AM

A Cy Young winner who never pitched in the post season



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 11:47 AM

Bob Forsch (he with the less talented brother)

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:48 AM

Not Bob Forsch.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 11:54 AM

Gaylord F. Perry.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 11:59 AM

One whose brother was also a big leaguer, but not as successful.



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. ___________ 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. ___________ 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. Gaylord Perry 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 12:05 PM

I'm on a roll. Bob Gibson.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 12:05 PM

Nelson Briles for the newly dead guy.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:08 PM

He pitched for only one team in a career that spanned three decades.


He's dead at the present time. (He died earlier this year.)



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. Nelson Briles 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. Bob Gibson 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. Gaylord Perry 13
11. __________ 13
11. __________ 13

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 12:09 PM

Has anyone mentioned Rick Wise yet (but I can't fit him into one of the clues)?

Later

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:16 PM

Nope, not Rick Wise.

The remaining three all did the bulk of their pitching against the Mets in the 1980's.

Another hint: They're not all starting pitchers.

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 12:22 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2005 12:23 PM

OK, I'll go with Lee Smith for a reliever, having had a considerable tenure with both Chicago and St. Louis.

I'll assume he's the name sharer, so I'll go with Zane, his twin of a different mother.

I'm jammed on the 22-year guy.

HahnSolo
Sep 20 2005 12:23 PM

Lee Smith and Zane Smith?

edit: beat me Edgy.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:25 PM

Lee is one of the Smith Brothers, but Zane isn't the other.



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. Nelson Briles 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. Bob Gibson 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. Gaylord Perry 13
11. Lee Smith 13
11. __________ 13

I don't know what you mean about 22 years. Here's the clue for the remaining guy whose name isn't Smith:

He started and ended his career with the same NL team, but spent the bulk of the middle of his career with another NL team.

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 12:26 PM

We have the 22-year guy (Gibson). It's the guy who started and ended his career with one club but pitched a bunch in the middle for someone else.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 12:27 PM

I mentioned Zane Smith on th elast page of the thread. It was wrong.

Dick Ruthven

Oh no, Could one be John Franco?

Later

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 12:27 PM

Bryn Smith.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:27 PM

Another clue about the non-Smith guy:

If you're writing a book about the 1986 Mets, his name has to be in it.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:28 PM



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. Nelson Briles 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. ___________ 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. Bob Gibson 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. Gaylord Perry 13
11. Lee Smith 13
11. Bryn Smith 13

metsmarathon
Sep 20 2005 12:29 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2005 12:35 PM

Bryn Smith?

edit: damnit!

Lundy
Sep 20 2005 12:31 PM

bob Knepper

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:36 PM

Lundy comes off the bench with a walk-off game-ending guess:



1. Steve Carlton 36
2. Rick Reuschel 25
3. Jerry Reuss 21
4. Greg Maddux 16
4. Nelson Briles 16
6. Ferguson Jenkins 15
6. Bob Knepper 15
8. Phil Niekro 14
8. Burt Hooton 14
8. Bob Gibson 14
11. Steve Rogers 13
11. Larry McWilliams 13
11. Gaylord Perry 13
11. Lee Smith 13
11. Bryn Smith 13

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:37 PM

We can do another one tomorrow.

Any category suggestions?

sharpie
Sep 20 2005 12:39 PM

I'd vote no on outfield assists but otherwise whatever you want.

MFS62
Sep 20 2005 12:43 PM

Home runs or saves


I just remembered, I won't be able to participate in the next gut-wrnching installment.
I'll be on the road through Friday.
Have fun, kiddies.
Play nice, and remember to share.


Later

Elster88
Sep 20 2005 12:46 PM

It's hard to find other categories. I would say saves or batting average, though for batting average you'd probably need to give a ton of clues.
_____________________________
This post had the designation 149) Willie Mays

Edgy DC
Sep 20 2005 12:47 PM
Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Sep 20 2005 01:01 PM

Pitchers
Saves
Shutouts
Games

Hitters
Hits
Games
Games by position.

Benjamin Grimm
Sep 20 2005 12:50 PM

This thread started with homers.

I can easily do all of Edgy's suggestions except games by position. That one does sound interesting, so maybe I'll take a look at that and see if it's feasible.

Elster88
May 27 2006 03:09 PM

Maybe you already have this Yancy, but is there a way to search on MLB awards? Like Cy Young Award, Silver Slugger, etc?

Benjamin Grimm
May 30 2006 07:14 AM

This page is probably the nearest thing to what you're asking for.

Elster88
Jun 21 2006 09:42 AM

Do you still have a display of most popular over the last three weeks or whatever it was? And least popular?

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 21 2006 02:27 PM

I had to disable that a month or so ago. The process that was building that information stopped working because of a server "upgrade." I put in another way to build the info, but it crashed the database.

The reason it crashed the database has supposedly been fixed, so I plan to restore that feature. However, I don't want to do it until after my upcoming vacation, in case something else goes wrong. I don't want the database to be down for a week or more while I'm getting chased by bears in Alaska.

Benjamin Grimm
Jun 21 2006 02:44 PM

Wow, I just reread this thread. I had promised another fun game the following day, but never followed through.

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 23 2006 08:04 AM

Elster88 wrote:
Do you still have a display of most popular over the last three weeks or whatever it was? And least popular?


It's back.

OlerudOwned
Aug 23 2006 08:59 AM

I found a picture for one of the Faceless Bottom 20, Tito Navarro

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 23 2006 09:30 AM

="OlerudOwned"]I found a picture for one of the Faceless Bottom 20, Tito Navarro



Thank you!

OlerudOwned
Aug 26 2006 07:04 PM

Some more scavenger hunting for photoless Mets.

The best Marrero I can find:


DiFelice. I don't know your policy on backwards caps, but if you ask me it adds a nice backstop flavor.


The begoggled Juan Padilla


Jose Parra


Jorge Velandia


Kane Davis, blue cap special.


Eric Cammack, rockin' the blue cap.


Dan Murray


Jim Tatum


Rick Wilkins, with DiFelice syndrome


Tony Phillips


Tim Spehr


Todd Haney, feeling blue


Ok, I'm stopping at 1998 because my eyes are starting to bleed.

seawolf17
Aug 26 2006 07:19 PM

="OlerudOwned"]Eric Cammack, rockin' the blue cap.


Thaaaaat's Steve Trachsel. You can tell by how long it took him to throw this pitch.

OlerudOwned
Aug 26 2006 07:20 PM

="seawolf17"]
="OlerudOwned"]Eric Cammack, rockin' the blue cap.


Thaaaaat's Steve Trachsel. You can tell by how long it took him to throw this pitch.

I thought it looked like Trachsel, but the caption and beard threw me off.

metirish
Aug 26 2006 07:22 PM

Eric Cammack

Edgy DC
Aug 26 2006 07:22 PM

Billy Wynne is an unusually unpopular Met.

Edgy DC
Aug 26 2006 07:28 PM

Francisco may have only gotten two big-league at-bats, but he went on to manage the Mexican national team, as well as the Leon B's:

Benjamin Grimm
Aug 28 2006 09:40 AM

Wow, thanks for all of the images, people. I'll have to grab a few of those.

Meanwhile, in hit popularity news, this guy seems to be generating a lot of UMDB hits for a rather unpopular former Mets relief pitcher.

Edgy DC
Aug 28 2006 09:48 AM

Edgy DC
Aug 30 2006 10:56 AM

Beating the rap pays off, as Jeff Reardon yesterday once again became the UMDB's top lookup.

Edgy DC
Aug 30 2006 02:19 PM

A little small, but here's the other Castillo:

SteveJRogers
Aug 30 2006 03:51 PM

Got a good shot of the only Met player who played when this EXACT uni was being worn at Shea (by the 3B coach unfortunatly)

SteveJRogers
Aug 30 2006 04:09 PM

Ricky Ledee


Michael Tucker


Its No Hat but it is a profile of Ledee

SteveJRogers
Aug 30 2006 04:12 PM

OLIVER!