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Cy Clemens?

MFS62
Sep 10 2005 08:43 AM

Although he may have hurt his chances last night, do you agree with Jayson Stark?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=2154658

What say you?

Later

smg58
Sep 10 2005 10:09 AM

Carpenter is pitching better right now, and if their ERA's wind up within .2 or .3 of each other then he would have to get it. Still, you can't blame Clemens for the spectacularly awful run support he's gotten.

Zvon
Sep 10 2005 11:32 AM

He has allowed five earned runs on the road all season.

this is mind boggling.

Its a tuff call too.
Ill have to wait til all their numbers are in.
Ill let ya know in Oct

MFS62
Sep 10 2005 11:59 AM

My view is that the award is named after the pitcher who had the most lifetime wins.
Don't you think win totals should be taken into major consideration when you vote?
As someone mentioned, their overall peripherals are fairly close, even though that road ERA is mind boggling.

If you want to give out an award for the pitcher with the best WHIP, then name an award after old Western Movie star Lash LaRue.

(OK, so I'm still bitter about the bat shard incident)

Later

Valadius
Sep 11 2005 02:59 AM

Clemens is blowing up all of a sudden. Carpenter gets it.

PatchyFogg
Sep 11 2005 11:33 AM

Didn't Carpenter best Clemens with a 1-0 complete game this year? Good enough for me.

Rockin' Doc
Sep 11 2005 12:06 PM
Carpenter ain't Clemens; that's good enough for me.

Seriously, here are the stats for 3 top candidates as they stand right now: (Sorry, I don't know how to make the pretty tables like Edgy does)


....................W-L....ERA....WHIP...BAA....OPS...K/BB
Carpenter...21-4....2.21.....0.97.....213.....578....4.40
Clemens.....11-7....1.78.....0.96......188.....520...3.05
Willis...........20-8....2.52....1.12......241.....633....2.98

If I had a vote, I would go with Carpenter over Clemens, with Willis finishing a distant third despite a fine season.

Edgy MD
Sep 11 2005 12:31 PM

....IP
....220
....192 1/3
....200 1/3

Gotta go with Carpenter.

Rotblatt
Sep 11 2005 12:39 PM

Carpenter. And not just because Clemens is a fucknut.

The dominance in IP & peripherals is plenty enough for me.

SwitchHitter
Sep 12 2005 09:18 AM

I think Clemens should get it, but won't. Like last year, I thought Randy Johnson should've gotten it but didn't.