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BV in the Bvronx?

Bret Sabermetric
Aug 21 2005 08:44 PM

What will BV in the Bvronx do for you?

Turn you against BV?
Make you follow the Yankees for a week or so?
Fill you with conflicts about turning into a quasi-Yankee fan?
Turn you into a closet Yankee fan?
"Out of the closet, into the street!! Let's GO, Yankees"?

I think it would be a real coup for George, to pick off wavering Mets fans at a low point in their loyalty.

Nymr83
Aug 21 2005 08:51 PM

i think the recent "low point" in Met-loyalty had to be last summer, before Wright came up. I'm not saying now is a high point, but it's higher than it was then.

personaly i can never hate BV but i'll be laughing when the yankee fans who are calling for torre's head start ripping on him. They'll miss Torre when he is gone no matter who takes his place.

Frayed Knot
Aug 21 2005 08:51 PM

Turn you against BV?

No. I've got nothing against Joe Torre, I just hope that his team loses.


Make you follow the Yankees for a week or so?

I "follow" the Yanx now.


Fill you with conflicts about turning into a quasi-Yankee fan?

Nope


Turn you into a closet Yankee fan?

Not a chance



"Out of the closet, into the street!! Let's GO, Yankees"?

No answer needed




I suspect this is a real possiblity btw.
I doubt Torre gets fired this winter no matter how things turn out. But a year from now - just when BV's contract is up - could be different.

Valadius
Aug 21 2005 08:59 PM

A low point?

'77-'79 was a low point.
'92-96 was a low point.
'02-04 was a low point.

This isn't a low point. There's excitement and anticipation, as opposed to depression and pessimism.

Bobby "Mr. Mustachio" Valentine becoming MFYs' manager shouldn't have any impact on the allegiance of Mets fans. Personally, I would simply say, "Good for him," and leave it at that.

ScarletKnight41
Aug 21 2005 09:08 PM

I'll copy Frayed's answer sheet, except I'll add that I didn't have anything against Torre until he acted as Clemens' apologist in 2000 after Clemens beaned Piazza.

Rockin' Doc
Aug 21 2005 09:38 PM

If Bobby Valentine was to become manager of the Yankees, I would be happy that he had been given another chance at managing. I would, however, hope that his minions lost as frequently as possible.

For better or worse, winning or losing I'm a Mets fan. Whoever is managing the Yankees has absolutely no bearing on that. My loyalty as a fan would remain solidly behind the Mets.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 21 2005 10:06 PM

It would suck. OTOH, they'd probably fire him in 2 months.

metirish
Aug 21 2005 10:18 PM

I could never turn against Bobby V, one of the best managers the Mets have ever had and a great person, IMO Bobby will get a chance again in MLB but not with the MFY, there should be plenty of other job openings for him before the job in the Bronx, having said all that by all accounts Booby is very happy in Japan, The Chiba Lotte Marines are in second place in the Pacific League, 4.5 games out.

DocTee
Aug 21 2005 10:24 PM

I think a more likely landing will be in Dodgertown, since Bobby at least played there.

metirish
Aug 21 2005 10:29 PM

Good call Doc Tee, plus he has that great friendship with Lasorda.Here is an open letter form Bobby to Marines fans, from the Marines website.

http://www.marines.co.jp/

Bret Sabermetric
Aug 22 2005 08:41 AM

="Frayed Knot"]]Make you follow the Yankees for a week or so?

I "follow" the Yanx now.




Of course, what I meant (at the deadly risk of redundancy) was MORE of a follower than now. We're all aware of the Yankees, and twenty-right other teams, so to an extent we all "follow" the Yankees. But if you're a catch-an-inning-if-I'm-flipping-around-the-dial kind of guy, will this make you stay for an extra inning? If you watch an occasional Yankee game, will this make you catch a few more?

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 22 2005 09:01 AM

Not me, nope.

I'd still hate the Yankees as much as ever, and I'd watch them as infrequently as I do now.

ScarletKnight41
Aug 22 2005 09:09 AM

Do you honestly think that we'd all start rooting for the MFYs just because they drive a dump truck full of money to Bobby V's door and make him drink the Kool Aid?

Willets Point
Aug 22 2005 09:11 AM



They drove a dump truck of money to my house! I'm not made of stone.

seawolf17
Aug 22 2005 09:15 AM

My allegiance is to this club, not to ex-members of the fraternity. I loved listening to Tim McCarver when I was a kid, but I didn't watch MFY games because he was broadcasting them. I don't watch games that Al Leiter pitches, regardless of who he's pitching for.

So I'd say no.

Frayed Knot
Aug 22 2005 09:39 AM

]Of course, what I meant (at the deadly risk of redundancy) was MORE of a follower than now.


No.
Because seeing as how they're the local team and the only other team in MLB that I've ever had a consistant rooting interest in (just a negative one in this case) I already know them better than any other team, save the Mets of course, and follow them as closely I can now.

What you've got to do is find the seeming multitude of Met fans who spent 1996 saying "ya gotta root for these Yanx because of Doc & Darryl & Coney".
No I didn't then and I won't in the future no matter who's on the roster.

If I were the type to believe in deserved fate I'd say that those NYM fans who pulled for the NYY squad of the mid-90s were the cause of the string of championships to follow that they now decry.
In other words; their dogma wound up getting run over by their karma.

Bret Sabermetric
Aug 22 2005 11:41 AM

ScarletKnight41 wrote:
Do you honestly think that we'd all start rooting for the MFYs just because they drive a dump truck full of money to Bobby V's door and make him drink the Kool Aid?


Not all of you. Some of you.

Do you honestly think it's all about the money? That BV wouldn't get a thrill to manage crosstown, whatever money is involved (and you know George isn't cheap, so it will be considerable $$$)? You honestly think some of you wouldn't be thinking that Randolph is by far the least competent manager in town if BV were in the Bvronx?

ScarletKnight41
Aug 22 2005 11:43 AM

]Do you honestly think it's all about the money?


All about the money? No. But money talks, and it's usually one of the bigger factors that go into these decisions.

Elster88
Aug 22 2005 11:43 AM

]You honestly think some of you wouldn't be thinking that Randolph is by far the least competent manager in town if BV were in the Bvronx?


I would be thinking this. I wouldn't switch teams as a result.

Out of curiosity, where did this come from? Is there a Bobby V to the Bronx rumor out there?

Yancy Street Gang
Aug 22 2005 11:45 AM

Do you honestly think it's all about the money? That BV wouldn't get a thrill to manage crosstown, whatever money is involved (and you know George isn't cheap, so it will be considerable $$$)?

I'm sure he'd love to manage in New York again. And he'd enjoy being on the other side of the rivalry, against the team that fired him.

You honestly think some of you wouldn't be thinking that Randolph is by far the least competent manager in town if BV were in the Bvronx?

I would think that most of us would be thinking that. (I know I would.) But I'd still be rooting for the team managed by the less competent guy.

Bret Sabermetric
Aug 22 2005 11:51 AM

="Elster88"]
]Out of curiosity, where did this come from? Is there a Bobby V to the Bronx rumor out there?
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Some FAN-chatter. Makes plenty of sense to me. Joe's on the outs w/ George and may ask for a buy-out. George needs a kick-ass guy who can manage in NY, Piniella's a bad fit now: the DRs would ask too much for George to sign him anyway, and BV's the only other kick ass guy with proven NY ability, plus which both George and BV'd get to stick it to the Mets.

It's a great fit (which Wilpon would pitch).

old original jb
Aug 22 2005 12:22 PM
BV in Bronx

1) If you're BV, you can't say no to an offer to manage the Yankees.

2) Any of us would do the same thing in a heartbeat were we actually involved with baseball as employees, as opposed to being fans.

3) I would wish him well and the Yankees ill, as usual.

4) Bobby V loves to talk. To anyone. His interaction with the Boss and arrival in New York would be the greatest boon to sports journalism since videotape.

5) He would eventually challenge Billy Martin for the record in times hired/times fired as Yankee manager.

Valadius
Aug 22 2005 12:27 PM

Mr. Mustachio likes Japan, though. And I don't know his mind well enough to be able to say whether he'd rather stick it to the Mets and go work for the MFYs, or be able to stick it to the MFYs one last time and publicly refuse their overtures.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 22 2005 12:33 PM

I'm sure Valentine would accept the job if offered to him. He knows he can out-manage Joe, he can command -- and receive -- a huge pile of cash for coming, it's a nice high-profile gig and he can commute. I think this has been a strong possibility beginning 3 seconds after he was fired by the Mets.

old original jb
Aug 22 2005 12:39 PM
Nobody likes Japan THAT much.

If we take off our blue and orange glasses for a moment, apart from having to deal with Steinmonster, managing the Yankees is the best job in baseball if you are someone who likes the limelight.

You get almost any player you want bought and paid for. You get to work with the world's highest paid prima donnas. You are constantly in the limelight, win or lose. If you win you are the toast of the town in a city whose inhabitants regard it as the center fo the western world.
It's like landing a starring role in a soap opera.

If you are the competitive type, take into account the fact that the Yankees are a team that is so competitive that heads roll if they drop into second place for the wild card.

I realize that for us Met fans these are all reasons why we HATE everything that is Yankee, but you have to realize that as Met fans we are not normal people, and in fact are miles away from the psyche of most competitive athletes of which Bobby V is one.

I would submit to you that Bobby V is indeed a very competitive guy AND someone who likes the limelight. If he were really offered the Yankees job, there is no way he continues to bask in the relative obscurity of Ciba Lotte. (Or however it should be spelled).

Rotblatt
Aug 22 2005 12:49 PM

If this were to happen I'd hate the MFY even more for making a better managerial choice than we did.

That being said, I don't think it will happen precisely because it would be a good choice for the Yankees. They haven't made many good choices in the last few years and I don't expect them to start all of a sudden.

Willets Point
Aug 22 2005 01:06 PM

It's my impression that Bobby is the type of manager who works well with young players, molding them into "his guys" and works less well with established veterans joining from other teams. Wouldn't Bobby V in the Bronx just be asking for player-manager confrontations? I mean I think it would be great, but why would the Yankees want that?

Bret Sabermetric
Aug 22 2005 02:24 PM

Not to hijack my own thread or nothing (Hi, Jack!) but I think we covered this thoroughly when assessing BV's stint here, and concluded (I did anyway) that he really didn't work with kids so much. Benny, yes, and Timo a little, but basically he worked mostly with the vets he was dealt.

seawolf17
Aug 22 2005 02:27 PM

I think it's generally assumed that the fiery guys (BV, Tony Pena, Lou Piniella) "work better with younger players, because they motivate them," and calmer guys (Torre, Dusty Baker) are better with veterans because they "just let them play."

I think the whole thing is bunk.

silverdsl
Aug 22 2005 03:08 PM

I think BV would take the job if offered and it would provide so many fireworks and backpage headlines to keep message boards hopping for months. But I don't know if he'd have much more success with the current group of players than Torre is right now. Not too much motivating that can be done for fragile backs, bad shoulders and surliness.

Johnny Dickshot
Aug 22 2005 03:19 PM

The next MFY manager will have to manage through the decline phase of Jeter -- which will make the suckification of Bernie look tame by comparison.