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Trade Rumor: Kaz for Fonzie

PatchyFogg
Jun 09 2005 04:18 PM

Administrator's note: This topic was born in the "Rico Brogna" thread and split off to make it's own thread.

If the Fonzie for Kaz rumor comes to fruition, does it go here?

Edgy DC
Jun 09 2005 04:19 PM

First I heard of it.

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 09 2005 04:22 PM

Which Kaz? Matsui? Ishii? Scott?

I haven't heard this rumor.

MFS62
Jun 09 2005 04:25 PM

It was on NYFO earlier today.

Then there was a report that Gammons said that SF may deal their ace starter (?) because he's hurt and they may go into salary dump mode and not want to risk paying around next year.

You can imagine the replies.

Later

PatchyFogg
Jun 09 2005 04:25 PM

Again, I used the word "rumor" but here's the link:

http://www.gothambaseball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361

cooby
Jun 09 2005 04:27 PM

Wow, it'd be great to have Fonzie back.

MFS62
Jun 09 2005 04:29 PM

To answer your question, I think the rumor would go in the Trade Speculation Thread.

Later

Yancy Street Gang
Jun 09 2005 04:56 PM

Here's that rumor:

Multiple baseball sources are telling Gotham Baseball that the Mets are having active discussions with the San Francisco Giants about bringing back fan favorite Edgardo Alfonzo — in a deal for Kaz Matsui — as the teams would swap free-agent infielders who have been disappointments since their signings.

While the Matsui/Alfonzo salaries are about washes, the Giants would need some young pitching to come back to them, especially in light of the recent trade for LaTroy Hawkins, which cost them both Jerome Williams and David Aardsma. While they’re still in the talking stages, some of the names expected to be thrown out include Jae Seo and Yusmiero Petit — as the Giants are looking to restock on young pitching.

And while Matsui’s numbers have been a disappointment for the Mets, and he has fallen out of favor with both manager Willie Randolph and General Manager Omar Minaya, he’s two years younger than Alfonzo and thought to have better range at second, and would open the door for Pedro Feliz to play 3B.

The concerns for the Mets: Alfonzo’s back is still a worry and his range at 2B has dropped off greatly in the last two years, and his power has been all but eliminated by age and injury. The plusses: Alfonzo is said to really want to return to New York and the Mets, the organization he grew up in, and for which his brother works as a roving instructor and his nephew pitches. Alfonzo would also give the Mets the no. 2 hitter they need badly, a low-strikeout, high on-base percentage professional hitter.

As of now, the Giants are not on Matsui’s trade list — but it is thought that the large Japanese population in the Bay Area, as well as the fact that San Francisco is five hours closer to home (Osaka) than New York, plus the thought that Matsui remains uncomfortable in New York and unhappy sitting the bench for Willie Randolph — that he might agree to waive his no-trade.

If trade talks drag out closer to the trading deadline in July, the Giants may be willing to expand the deal to include pitcher Jason Schmidt — another move to trim salary — in exchange for more young and major league pitching.

When they say "free agent infielder" they mean that that's how Fonzie and Kaz were acquired by their current teams. (I assume!) When I first read that I thought it meant that they were both in their walk year. If that was the intent, it's wrong. I don't know about Edgardo's contract, but Kaz is signed by the Mets through 2006.

I'd like to have Alfonzo back, too. He's one of the few ex-Mets I still root for.

Elster88
Jun 09 2005 05:01 PM

]he has fallen out of favor with both manager Willie Randolph and General Manager Omar Minaya,
I didn't get this impression when Willie was on the radio. He was more than willing to talk about moving Diaz to first, but he kept saying it was Kaz's position and that he feels like Kaz will heat up.

Rotblatt
Jun 09 2005 05:11 PM

I'm a big Fonzie fan, but Matsui+Seo for him is a bad deal. Matsui+Petit for him is a downright horrible deal. I could live with Matsui for Fonzie straight up, but if we throw anything else in, we're crazy.

Fonzie's not the same hitter he was with us. He's got zero power, and if his range is shot, how is he an upgrade over Cairo?

And I still think Kaz can be a decent offensive 2B. We just need to have a little patience . . .

on edit: oh, and he's slow too.

Edgy DC
Jun 09 2005 05:25 PM

Let's take it to the trade rumor thread.

Giant Squidlike Creature
Jun 10 2005 12:43 AM

The admin powers on this board are badass. Don't know how to integrate this into the Trade Speculation thread though.

Nymr83
Jun 10 2005 01:36 AM

can Alfonzo play 1B?

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 10 2005 06:49 AM

Maybe we can start an "all purpose things the Internet Fanboi Scoop Press Association makes up to attract attention to their new website" thread.

Edgy DC
Jun 10 2005 08:12 AM

Not Your Finest Outlet

Elster88
Jun 10 2005 09:07 AM

I love Fonzie for the memories, but Matsui for him straight up is a bad deal for the Mets. Throwing in another player, too? Lunacy.

metirish
Jun 10 2005 09:23 AM

Last I saw of Fonzie he couldn't hit for shit, no way on this deal, the Fonz is a player that got old it seems overnight.

soupcan
Jun 10 2005 09:49 AM

Matsui/Seo for Fonzie/Schmidt?

Schmidt's got a club option for next year for something like $11 mil and If Seo turns out to have actually turned the corner we'd be bumming.

At best that deal's a wash all the way around - why do it?

Frayed Knot
Jun 10 2005 10:06 AM

I wonder if this is the same source - the one he claimed "never steered him wrong" - who got him the scoop over this past winter that the Mets had signed {note: not might sign; are thinking of signing; are on track to sign, but [u:e02418aa24]had signed[/u:e02418aa24]} Moises Alou to a 2-year deal?



Anyway ... I remember seeing Fonz play 2nd at some point last year when the Giants had some injury problems there - and he was embarrassingly awful. Zero range and bad agility. He's actually hitting OK these days - as long as we ignore the fact that his power numbers have been in free-fall for the last 5 years.
And did anyone see enough out of Schmidt last week to say; "hey, that'll be a good use of an $11million option next year"? He's either injured or done - neither one of which makes him a good get right now.

Nymr83
Jun 10 2005 03:16 PM

]Last I saw of Fonzie he couldn't hit for shit


so he matches up well with Matsui.

Edgy DC
Jun 10 2005 03:23 PM

The guy has hit .312 and reached at .378.

That isn't what he used to be, but we sure would be a better team if he's been doing it for us. Not for nothing, but he's also been a healthy player since he left New York, something that Matsui hasn't been since he came here.

smg58
Jun 11 2005 10:26 AM

Fonzie can get timely hits and draw walks, which would benefit the club. Plus it would undo some bad karma from the 2002 offseason, when he was deemed expendable but the Mets believed they could still win with Alomar/Vaughn/Cedeno/Burnitz. The intriguing part is Jason Schmidt. He's an ace if he's healthy. What's his contract status? And would ten minutes with Rick be enough?

Spacemans Bong
Jun 11 2005 12:41 PM

Edgy DC wrote:
The guy has hit .312 and reached at .378.

That isn't what he used to be, but we sure would be a better team if he's been doing it for us. Not for nothing, but he's also been a healthy player since he left New York, something that Matsui hasn't been since he came here.

It's entirely the product of a hot April, though.

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 11 2005 01:13 PM

Seems to me the right cirumstances to get Fonz would be if we needed Veteran Presence and a dangerous RH hitter to add to a team.

I think Kazoo + is a high price at this point, especially as time marches on and Fonzie's contract becomes heavier and heavier for SF.

Anyway, seems to me the fat guy in the avatar made the whole thing up.

TheOldMole
Jun 12 2005 08:48 AM

So Edgar is still in the Mets organization, and there's a nephew coming up too?

Iubitul
Jun 12 2005 08:54 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Anyway, seems to me the fat guy in the avatar made the whole thing up.


It seems like he makes up a whole lot of stuff.

LOL - I just went back there to quote something that I read yesterday, and his column is gone - LOL.

Iubitul
Jun 12 2005 08:57 AM

Johnny Dickshot wrote:
Maybe we can start an "all purpose things the Internet Fanboi Scoop Press Association makes up to attract attention to their new website" thread.


I have to go clean my monitor now...

Frayed Knot
Jun 12 2005 02:01 PM

btw, that site was boasting yesterday that "sources were telling them" that a possible refurbishing and/or replacing Shea in conjunction w/a revised Olympic stadium plan were in the works.

Of course that story had already been printed in the NY Times the day before.
So I guess we can narrow the list of their secret sources down to the sub-set of people who can both read and have access to at least 75-cents.

sharpie
Jun 14 2005 08:32 AM

Now Alfonzo is on the DL. Guess we won't be making that move anytime soon.

Frayed Knot
Jun 14 2005 09:54 AM

Which, of course, gives the 'IFSPA' ammo to claim; "hey, the trade was about to go down when the injury happened and you can't prove it wasn't ... and therefore we were right again!!"

Rotblatt
Jun 14 2005 10:11 AM

As it turns out, at least one other paper reported that rumor:

]ONE-HOPPERS: The annual Edgardo Alfonzo-to-New York rumors have started again, this time involving Mets second baseman Kazuo Matsui. The money is close to a wash between the two contracts, but the Giants would require young pitching to be enticed with such a deal. ...


http://www.insidebayarea.com/giants/ci_2798040

Johnny Dickshot
Jun 14 2005 11:10 AM

I wouldn't doubt that one cribbed off the other. Who cares, without naming sources there's no accountability required.

Centerfield
Jun 14 2005 11:22 AM

Forget Fonzie. My sources tell me the real deal is Looper for Joanie, Chachie and a piano player to be named later.